[tinus_hn]

Oh I’m sure Putin pinky promised it was all just for security and he would go no further. If you fall for that crap, that’s the doormat strategy.

There is a line and to the right of the line Putin gets to have his way, and to the left he does not. That’s the border and if Putin remains behind his border he has nothing to fear. He has not been attacked, he has attacked.

Every Russian who can afford it prefers to spend as much time as possible in the west they paint as so decadent. It should be clear that whatever the rhetoric the Russians yearn for the freedom of the west and that’s dangerous for a dictator like Putin. But that is not to blame on the west, that is to blame on Putins dictatorship and is for him to deal with. Inside his borders.

If he wants a neutral zone between his territory and the west, he’s free to build it inside his borders. It’s ridiculous to think he gets to claim a sovereign nation for his own political plays.

And at the end of the line, countries are sovereign in their own borders which are defined as the part they can successfully defend. It’s pretty clear Russia has overextended its reach and now that its bluff has been called it should be happy if its tiresome nuclear threats suffice for keeping its borders as they were before they took Crimea. Perhaps if he comes to his senses quickly the west will even let Putin remain on his throne. Until he gets deposed by his own people, of course.

[foverzar]

Sorry, you've lost me at me your assumptions on how Russians tend to spend their vacations. I don't see how that it is related to war-game and security.

[tinus_hn]

It’s pretty clear you don’t see it indeed. All you see is the picture painted in Russian propaganda, where everything is to blame on the arrogant west underestimating Putin and his determination to restore the Russian empire of old.

Good luck with that. I hope you don’t get drafted to die at the front as untrained cannon fodder.

[foverzar]

You've thrown out a wall of incoherent ideological nonsense, implying that supposed vacation preferences of Russians is somehow a counterpoint to the criticism and objective examples of failures of western foreign politics.

With all your projections and just how wild your imagination had started running to make up what you suppose is my perspective, I'd suggest you bite your tongue before screaming of propaganda.

[tinus_hn]

Gee, I thought I had lost you, as you said yourself, but it appears you were just making grandstanding dismissive motions.

The only failure of the west is trusting Putin would be content only taking Crimea. The failure of Putin appears expecting the west to make that mistake once more with Ukraine, as you propose. Unfortunately the west has united, Finland is joining NATO, Europes dependency on Russian energy is disappearing and the war is a failure.

But good luck supporting your dictators neo imperialist dreams!