[Telemoto]

It really doesn't matter how many bitcoi s are minded every ten minutes.

Bitcoin still changes it's value up and down.

My argument was not based in the amount of bitcoins itself. It's still valid. It's a rat race and this doesn't mean Bitcoin is 100% energy efficient.

It's as efficient as the market makes it.

The methan discussion: either it produces enough energy that you can do things with it or it doesn't matter at all

We could force them to have edge mini Datacenters there to render things or do research workload. We could also charge batteries or enforce an energy line. Tons of options and no motivation to do it because profit and easy but useless solution of Bitcoin.

And yes it's less efficient to run Bitcoin instead of just burning it. Bitcoin then still steals critical ASIC/chip production capacity.

The guilty pleasure thing is just a strawman argument. It doesn't make Bitcoin better or worse just because of others. And yes I do totally disagree on GPUs etc not having a value.

I don't mind clarifying how much better gaming is, but it is. The discussion general is valid but at least the energy consumed gives a direct value.

Bitcoin hash finding still doesn't do anything and it also still doesn't solve the trust issue: Bitcoin is not decentralized, tons of miners are under control of few people. El Salvador shows how far away normal people are of even understanding it.

The excuse of 'people without bank account ' you really believe Bitcoin solves such issues? It doesn't. People still need infra to get crypto. We see how it works in Africa with simple phones. Bitcoin is not solving a problem here.

The same dump argument of people in north Korea or Iran: you still need someone exchange your currency and dollar and euro actually do the job. Go to Iran and pay with euro. You will be able to pay with it with zero energy consumption... (I have been to Iran)

We can stop it and it will not be allowed. Why? Because no country has any incentive to allow a parallel existing financial market circumventing anonymous payment system.

You will see how it will fail when a normal user can't loose there money by just buying it on normal platforms. No one cares about Bitcoin. Go out and ask any random people it's already wasting tons of resources while having zero impact.

[strings29]

I wish I could respond to your concerns here. However almost every concern you have boils down to "I don't think bitcoin has value or use". As much as you are entitled to this opinion. The market says other wise. 19k USD per bitcoin to be precise.

What I do find ironic is how we are discussing the death of Bitcoin yet again (RIP bitcoin). On a startup accelerator with at best a success rate of 10%. But please tell me how Bitcoin is dead and useless after 13 years. Also consider that bitcoin was essentially created with no startup investment and now has a valuation of 400b dollars. If Bitcoin was y combinator incubated for all intensive purposes it would be considered a success. Maybe Bitcoin can teach us a lesson here.

Now its important to understand. I'm not here to change your mind or suggest you use Bitcoin. At this point I'd actually suggest the opposite. If you want to stop bitcoin though I suggest you'd be wasting your time (energy) but by all means you can try.

Best of luck to you.

[Telemoto]

The current market cap only shows how irrational an unregulated market can be.

It doesn't say it's successful just because.

gwyneth paltrow is successful enough with her garbage. Plenty of MLM still exist.

I bought drugs with BTC. How much market cap are illegal drugs alone?

Unfortunately tech like stable coins, nft, BTC scratch something in man but I'm not sure if it's just too complicated for some to really understand it.

El Salvador shows us how useless it actually is if you try to use it in the real world.

[strings29]

I sincerely respect that you do not value Bitcoin. But by voicing your opinion. You are implicitly partaking in the market. Clearing you are trying to influence others that Bitcoin has no usefulness or value. And again I sincerely respect that. After all that's how a free market works.

Now having said that. By implicitly partaking in the market. You' d have to concede that other's have a right to partake in the market too. And the market clearly at this time thinks Bitcoin is worth 19,302.40 USD with a market cap of 369.95 billion. That's more then Meta (facebook) BTW

So clearly after 13 years. The market still thinks Bitcoins has value and that valuation has gone up not down. As much as you want to scream to the rafters about it. It's not going to change the markets valuation of Bitcoin. And that's what determines value the market.