[jmartrican]

I agree. One dev I was working with was complaining about how much code they had to write (wrt a design pattern, and not Java specifically). But the problem was not the design patter (which I agree is hella verbose, ports-and-adapters), it was the fact that they did not know how to use their IDE. I had to explain that until you increase the proficiency of your IDE skills, every pattern is going to be slow for you. What took them several minutes to do, could be done in a few seconds by an IntelliJ expert. I know counter arguments can be made. But still. If you gonna ride a horse through tough terrain, you should really get good at using your horse, and not complain about the terrain.

[kaba0]

Yeah, to be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if someone proficient in IntelliJ actually does fewer keystrokes for a Java program than they would given an equivalent program in a “much” terser PL, simply due to the IDE helping so much. It is especially visible with dynamic languages, whose auto-complete is simply an order of magnitude worse than what Java offers due to static typing, and that’s just a small part of the equation.