[dirheist]

Hopefully with the UK in economic freefall, Italy electing a far right government and the EU about to have a cold winter, among Russia faltering and losing ground, a stalemate and truce/peace deal will be reached by next year. The rhetoric around this war is too hot and maybe the economic fallout on all sides will show people that we need to cool off.

[rjzzleep]

On all sides? India has seen massive GDP growth, mostly by acting as intermediary for products that Europe used to refine itself. Europe on the other hand is in recession and has a massive economic crises and rising populism on its hands. While Russia has a small contraction ~2% it's nothing like what quite a few of the European economies are facing. Meanwhile Russian sanctioned companies made more profit since the beginning of the war than the entirety of 2021 thanks to idiots like Ursula von der Leyen and the children book author Habeck. I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware.

Hardware does not grow on trees. It has to be built with energy and resources. Where do those come from? Usually when you pick a fight with a big warmachine you don't just dive in nose first, you first build your energy independence and then join in not the other way round.

For example the "The Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies" describes this shitshow in the following way:

> In short, US annual artillery production would at best only last for 10 days to two weeks of combat in Ukraine. If the initial estimate of Russian shells fired is over by 50%, it would only extend the artillery supplied for three weeks.

> The US is not the only country facing this challenge. In a recent war game involving US, UK and French forces, UK forces exhausted national stockpiles of critical ammunition after eight days.

[1] https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentar...

[jonnybgood]

> I'm absolutely baffled at how you think the war is at a stalemate when even the western analysts that have infinite praise for Ukraine are admitting unsustainable casualties of both Ukrainian trained troops and military hardware.

Are we going to ignore the fact Russia just started a draft? Russia is not winning this war. Ukraine isn't entirely either. Russia also has unsustainable casualties (evident by the draft) and military equipment. Russia is depleting it's modern equipment/weapons and relying on more old equipment/weapons that's less accurate and dependable.

If Russia didn't call for mobilization to replenish their forces, Ukraine is on it's way to bulldozing Russian defenses like they're currently doing in the Kharkiv offensive.

[rjzzleep]

Ukraine has had 7. There's literally no one left to fight. Most EU countries populations had a willingness of under 20% to sign up for war. The next biggest "European" army is Turkey and they will certainly not fight Russia for you.

"A new poll suggests Americans are growing weary as the US supports Ukraine in its war against Russia."[1]

I think it's time you put your evil/good ideology aside and face the reality that most economic publications have admitted by now that Russia has by all accounts won the economic war and that there is absolutely no way that Ukraine(which is by the way in default, the US taxpayer is paying people in public office in Ukraine just like they did in Afghanistan before it collapsed) can win the war.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/new-poll-signals-americans-a...

[jonnybgood]

7 drafts? Their country is being invaded. If there isn't anyone left to fight, why hasn't Russia taken Kiev yet? Why did Russia lose Kharkiv? Who is Russia fighting?

[rjzzleep]

Why would they? Controlling a population that is hostile towards you is an absolute nightmare. Americans should know, they tried it many times. So did the Soviets and it never worked out. Kiev's population has a Russian minority of less then 15% while in the eastern two breakaway republics the majority is. Have you ever looked at a map of Ukraine?

The problem with people like you is that you don't actually listen. You don't really have to agree with what the other side says, but you should at least listen instead of just believing what you want to believe and what the voice inside of your own head says.

[datameta]

Were you paying any attention at the beginning? Russia attempted a capitulation strike aimed at Kiev from the north and northeast (including an airborne operation) at the same time as starting a shock and awe campaign with ballistic and cruise missiles against every major and regional city.

That was their grand plan. Take Kyiv in 3 days and subjugate the populace which is >90% hostile to you. Absolute madness. Dictator syndrome to the fullest. Only a chain of lies going to the top could have led Putin to believe it was possible.

[dvfjsdhgfv]

> The rhetoric around this war is too hot

In your opinion, what would be adequate rhetoric around a war?