[RandomLensman]

There really isn't anywhere close to something like a median voter wanting to get the gas flowing from Russia again in Germany - now or in the winter. A government giving in to the more fringy hard right/hard left asking for that would not survive. The German-Russian relationship has been damaged for decades to come now.

[2-718-281-828]

> or in the winter

well, wait for the winter ... Germans aren't used to hardship and many more are critical for compromising comfort for Ukraine than Tagesschau and heute journal would like to make you believe.

[sprash]

I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.

[fabian2k]

70% of Germans favor continuing support for Ukraine even if that causes high energy prices (https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/politbarometer-union-...). This value is practically unchanged for months.

[cyber_kinetist]

…let’s see how this number goes when winter comes. People generally don’t want themselves to freeze to death.

[bitL]

Polls are one thing, supermarket prices jumping 80-100% in a single day are another.

[sprash]

For now maybe (I wouldn't believe those polls sponsored by state media for a second btw.). Even the strongest anti-Putin propaganda campaign will go up in flames as soon as people have sit in the cold and lose their jobs at the same time. Then it's a very convenient situation for politicians that the pipelines can't easily be switched on again because they got "somehow damaged". Therefore it was most probably an inside job.

[2-718-281-828]

"I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself"

[LeanderK]

> it is far away

It is not far away. There's Germany, then Poland and then war. We have refugees here and feel the impact on our day to day life.

[Markoff]

You forgot the part about vast land in Ukraine (the biggest country in Europe) since the fighting is on the other (Eastern) end. Heck west of Ukraine is hardly affected by war in daily life, why do you think Western politicians visit even Kiev if there is such horrible "war" ongoing, why is McDonald's operating, toyshops etc. Odd war if you ask me if it's business as usual in most of the country, feels more like theater to pump those dumb Western Europeans for their money by infamously most corrupt gov in Europe. Yes, there is fighting in east of Europe, yes lot of people die there, but this isn't affecting even most of the Ukraine so playing the BS card about some war in EU is just wet dream of war mongers.

[LeanderK]

What an ignorant comment. What do you expect, that there's fighting everywhere? People looting at night and society near anarchy? We have two state actors with roughly equal capabilities. It's not US&Allies vs Iraq.

Western ukraine is not "hardly affected", it is affected. There are many refugees, probably everyone knows someone fighting in the east. You might look to fight in the east as well if you're in the right age bracket! Economy is shit and people are training to rotate to the front. Putin is waging a brutal war, killing and torturing ukrainians. There are air raid warning in kyiv, kyiv pride happened underground! Yes the government is corrupt, but we have to help them fight this monster.

It's also not an odd war, industrial societies maintain industrial capabilities to wage industrial war. WW1 was fought on the west in mostly static battles. Neither Berlin or Paris were affected by bombs, less than easter ukraine for sure! And they fought for years. Even in WW2 society largely functioned until the end in germany (if it was not bombed to shit!). It's interesting to see the logistics of everyday life near the end of WW2 in germany, you expect everything to end up in total chaos but everyone with a job just continued doing their job. Why not? dairy farmers still produced milk and shipped it off, and quite a lot of the railways worked.

We see ukrainian flags here in a small town in germany, recently they celebrated something in public (maybe their independence?) and we got into a converstantion, we have refugees starting to study here etc. Heating prices are through the roof and I can't really afford to heat my room, al because of this stupid fu*ing war. War affects you even if you don't have bombs falling onto your head! In whole WW2 only like two or three bombs were thrown onto the small city (~80k) I am currently living in. War doesn't mean everything is blowing up all the time.

[RandomLensman]

Evidence? I don't see that in any surveys etc. that a majority or even plurality thinks that way.

[cptaj]

And yet they keep blocking arms shipments to ukraine

[RandomLensman]

No, one of the governing parties keeps blocking.

Edit: And stuff has been shipped, too.