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by tobiasSoftware 1364 days ago
Calories in calories out (CICO) is the what, not the why. If you saw someone who spent $1000 on jewelry every month and didn't pay their electricity bills, would you tell them to learn to budget? Heck no, you'd tell them they need therapy to fix much deeper root causes. So why are we telling obese people they need to "budget" by saying that CICO is the one and only solution?

CICO is great if you want to lose a few pounds, and if an obese person sticks to it, they will lose weight. But while CICO is a great tool, followers of CICO as the one and only way frustrate me, as they turn weight loss into a moral struggle solely about willpower. To them, the only reason someone is fat is because they are weak willed and any desire for an "easy way" out through anything other than CICO is viewed as laziness. Yet, while most of these "easy ways" out are indeed fake, we do know that in several specific cases there is a root cause separate from willpower, such as thyroid disorders and PCOS.

In these cases, it is not simply a matter of the affected person having less willpower, but rather that they need greater willpower to use CICO to overcome their obesity than their non-obese counterparts. Note that in these cases CICO does still work, but once you shift the perspective from "these people have less willpower" to "something is requiring these people to have greater willpower to do the same thing" then a new question immediately arises: "what is that something?"

Considering we know such root causes are possible, is it so unreasonable that rather than 1/3 of the population having bad willpower, that instead they have some sort of invisible disorder that is the root cause? Before 1982, gastritis and peptic ulcers had unknown causes and were attributed to stress. These days, we understand there is a bacteria H Pylori that is the root cause that we can give antibiotics for and "magically" cure. My personal belief is that within 100 years we will find some sort of similar root cause for obesity and if we are lucky, we may similarly be able to find a "magic cure" for it too.

Meanwhile, as someone who is obese and is working on it, I absolutely do recommend CICO as the best tool we currently have. But it's strikingly similar to trying to get a homeless person to budget in that there are likely other things that need to be fixed first, we just don't know what they are.

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Just because someone believes CICO is accurate doesn't mean they also have this "all about willpower" perspective. I think CICO is most of the problem and I also think attributing overeating to a lack of willpower is naive.

More importantly, the willpower debate is irrelevant on a population level. Dieters and personal trainers can argue about it until they're blue in the face but it has nothing to do with policy.

We could achieve better public health outcomes if we accepted that CICO is the big and clear cut problem and ignored all that other stuff.

For example: if you accept that overeating calories is THE public health crisis to solve, our policies around subsidizing cheap calories would no longer make sense. It would follow naturally to discontinue those policies and subsidize nutrient-dense, low calorie foods instead (i.e. fruits and vegetables intended for unprocessed consumption).

Then you would give people an economic incentive to go to the grocery store and buy fruits and vegetables instead of Hot Pockets. Public policy can't fix the whole problem, but it can adjust economic incentives.

Unfortunately people are off tilting at various windmills like mystery pathogens, estrogens in the water, plastic packaging, whatever - instead of accepting that CICO is this clear and central problem and crafting policy which reflects it.

Meanwhile, as someone who is obese and is working on it, I absolutely do recommend CICO as the best tool we currently have. But it's strikingly similar to trying to get a homeless person to budget in that there are likely other things that need to be fixed first, we just don't know what they are.

Sounds kind of hopeless when you put it that way doesn’t it?

It kind of sounds like a self-defeating narrative. “We don’t know the answer, so let’s either 1) keep status quo or 2) try a bunch of silly things that only temporarily help at best”.

I used to eat a decent amount of sugar including daily soda. Ten years ago I got my blood test back that showed high triglycerides - 251. It was very high for me and I resolved to do something about it.

I went cold turkey on sugar. Stopped soda, stopped sweets, etc. I didn’t try to stop all sugar like what’s added to bread but other than that I was done.I explicitly did not replace it with artificial sweetener. Instead I tried to develop the mentality that sugar was poison and I simply didn’t eat it. Not as a temporary diet, but ever. Two things happened:

1) I had two weeks of horrible sugar cravings trying to drive me to eating sugar

2) Then the cravings stopped completely. Fruit started tasting amazing.

At my next physical, triglycerides were 113. Ten years later and they stay about 80. Haven’t had a soda in ten years. The thought of drinking a disgustingly syrupy soda disgusts me. It’s probably one of the reasons it’s stuck: if I kept the mentality that I was depriving myself my willpower would eventually give in. Instead I crave soda about as much as I crave eating a bowl full of grasshoppers.

Anyway, just giving my experience. YMMV, good luck on your path.

> Calories in calories out (CICO) is the what, not the why.

CICO is basic thermodynamics, but yeah, it's incredibly reductionist.

OMAD (One Meal A Day) isn't some magic bullet that creates weight loss. If your One Meal is 3000 calories, you won't lose weight. What it's supposed to do though is train yourself to manage hunger. I can eat a massive meal (24 oz steak, 8 oz of broccoli or green beans, and a couple wheat rolls) and still be hungry less than 3 hours later. Some people have suggested OMAD and said that supposedly, if I force myself to remain hungry most of the day, eventually I'll get a bit numb to the sensation and it'll allow me to recalibrate me sense of hunger.

Keto is similar. It helps you reduce the CI part of CI by eliminating carbs which do very little to make you feel full compared to protein, fat, and fiber. But if you're still eating 3,000 calories/day because you're eating 24 oz steaks and half a pound of bacon and 6 eggs every day, then you won't lose weight.