[Bakary]

How would you define nature? Anatomically modern humans are 300K years old. Recorded history is 6K years old. Computer-science degrees have been around for less than a person's average lifetime. What is natural about what we are discussing, and what is the natural expectation to have?

[bismuthcrystal]

The natural expectation to have is that males and females are different, have been different since 300K years ago (and even longer than that), and have been described as being different in the last 6K years of man made records. Try to change this nature by policy, or any other artificial incentive, and it will fail.

An anecdote: from all the children in my family, not a single girl ever picked the hand powered drill from the toy box and went chasing a piece of wood to victimize. It is just nature.

[brtkdotse]

> It is just nature.

No, its just an anecdote. You even said it yourself.

[bismuthcrystal]

The world is so eager to enlighten us but we choose the path of ignorance. How many anecdotes you require to be enlightened? Or are you a peer review person, that will only see light by the eyes of others? Tell me, of what use is peer review when you are alone?

[Bakary]

Ok but we have to be more precise than that. In what way are they different? And how does this evopsych account for something as unnatural to hunter gatherers as STEM education? And if policies and incentives don't work, why did the Soviet Union have many more women pursuing scientific topics?

More rigor is needed, otherwise we can justify aand handwave away anything at all just with anecdotes or vague evopsych references