[bolt7469]

Your opposition is often seeing things from a logic-based economic lens. You might not have much success making an emotional argument.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but you need to logically argue why "rent, transport, utilities, medical" are "basic human dignity" and what a "base living wage" is. The fact that you believe everyone should have housing, transport, utilities, or adequate medical care doesn't change the underlying realities of economic scarcity.

[BlargMcLarg]

A political figure was recently assassinated in a country known to be peaceful.

There's your logic: at some point, people are done taking the bare minimum and will sow chaos, rebel, retaliate or even just lie flat and (legally) do anything to sour the lives of those they deem enemies. And confronting an ever increasing number of delinquents is far more expensive than preventing the root cause

[deburo]

It is true, and I’d guess that most of those who put the economy front and center in their view of society have empathy, they just differ on the ways society should provide to its members. While socalism focuses on existing wealth and how best they can redistribute it, economic-minded folks are concerned about wealth creation and how not to be overburdened by bloated budgets, which is very risky.

[kiba]

I don't think 'socialism' and making economically efficient decision is necessarily opposed to each other.

I would say that our current lifestyle is both inefficient and inequitable.