[quasarsunnix]

The problem is the bloat. I have CC access via work, but still choose to go with Affinity because of the performance issues. I counted 20 processes running the last time I had PS installed. The apps all take forever to load, drain battery if working remotely, and are far more unstable than in the past. I too grew up in PS in the 90s, but let's not pretend it's not become a dumpster fire - albeit a very feature rich dumpster fire as you stated.

I agree that Figma shares many of these same issues performance wise. Truthfully the only creative software I use that I truly enjoy these days is Blender. Hopefully one day the passion of Blender will make it to other areas in the creative software space.

[TheOtherHobbes]

Adobe keep adding pointless new features which I have to keep turning off in the preferences.

The new save dialog is insane. No, I don't want to save a copy just because I want to save a jpeg. Why is this even a question?

I have no idea why it isn't possible to copy/paste text with its blending options. Select All, Copy - Nope. All you get is the text, with none of the effects. (I know you can duplicate a layer - but not to a different document.)

Why does Creative Cloud install three versions? I suppose it's nice that I have v21, v22 and v23 but - why?

There still isn't a simple "paste clipboard to new document" command - something Paintshop Pro had back in the 90s.

Does anyone at Adobe actually use PS professionally? These are all simple usability issues that could be fixed with a bit of thought. But instead we get Neural Filters - useless - and the occasional core behaviour that changes for no good reason.

[inasmuch]

> The new save dialog is insane. No, I don't want to save a copy just because I want to save a jpeg. Why is this even a question?

I don't like the new save/load stuff either, and much prefer the old versions you can toggle, but that does bring up the fact that /you can toggle stuff/ and really customize the app to your preferences. I don't know any other visual creative tools with the depth of customization that Photoshop affords, between the fully modular GUI, actions, etc. A side note: jpgs saving as a copy has always been the default when you're working with a psd. There used to be a way to turn off the 'copy' appendage (like you can when duplicating layers), but I can't remember if it's still there.

> I know you can duplicate a layer - but not to a different document.

You can, actually! Been able to for a very long time. Right-click on the layer > Duplicate layer > Destination > Document. Pick another document you have open or create a new one with that layer. Pretty handy!

[throwanem]

> I know you can duplicate a layer - but not to a different document.

Sure you can, at least as far back as CS6. In the Duplicate Layer dialog, there's a Destination group that includes a Document dropdown. You can select any open file or create a new one to serve as the target.

[dylan604]

My most recent pet peeve is the constantly having to choose not to save to the cloud but to use my local file. On every single document saved

[inasmuch]

Yeah, I hate the cloud saving too. Fortunately that's something you can customize: Preferences > File Handling > Default File Location.

There are a lot of other useful settings in that panel for people (like me) who don't like a lot of the changes that have come down with Creative Cloud file handling.

[inasmuch]

I haven't used any of the Affinity apps. But are we talking about the same Photoshop?

> I counted 20 processes running the last time I had PS installed

I don't check how many background processes are running when I use Photoshop because I don't notice them at all. Almost every feature I use in it feels responsive, especially compared to how it used to be. If you're talking about telemetry, yeah, I hate that too, but I've more or less resigned to it as a necessary evil in all my professional tooling.

> The apps all take forever to load

Photoshop opens nearly instantly on my M1 Max Macbook Pro, as it did on my M1. It was slower on Intel, but what wasn't. I can open and close Photoshop three times before Discord even loads an empty window.

> drain battery if working remotely

I've never tried a remote workflow with Photoshop, so can't speak to that at all. Definitely does not seem like what the program is optimized for, and I would think battery drain would be the fault of whatever tool you're using to remote in, no? Or do you mean just working on an unplugged laptop? In which case, I find Electron apps that do one task poorly tend to be less efficient than even heavier desktop apps that 100 things well, Adobe or otherwise.

> and are far more unstable than in the past.

Sorry, what? I haven't had an Adobe app crash on me in probably eight years. I of course count that as good luck, but to say the current builds are less stable than older versions is just … insane to me. Thinking back to, say, the CS2/3 days, half my time in the program was spent Cmd+S-ing for fear of the inevitable hourly crash and loss of work. Photoshop crashes were a legitimate part of creative culture from like 1999 to 2012.

Sorry if I sound like an Adobe shill. We've just clearly had very different experiences with their products of late.

Where we are in agreement is that Blender is cool! I'm too much of a neophyte in 3D workflows to assess whether I think it's ultimately well designed (some bits seem to be … others not so much?), but it seems to run very well on the various machines I've tried it on and I have a great deal of respect for the nature of the program and the people behind it.

[SyneRyder]

Photoshop CC and Affinity Photo user here... yes, Photoshop is ridiculously slow to load. Just did a test on my machine:

Photoshop CC 2022: 35 seconds until the workspace appears

Affinity Photo: 8 seconds

and for fun, a tool that I still frequently use even in 2022:

Jasc Paint Shop Pro 7: 1 second.

[llanowarelves]

That's what's so frustrating about Adobe.

Given their position in the market, they could be cutting edge software performance wise and everything else. No one can say they don't have the resources.

Instead, they buy innovators (that solely exist in the first place because Adobe failed to keep up), do bare minimum to maintain, and charge rents.