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by hackoder 5310 days ago
I think it is certainly a lot worse. All user data (since it is a keylogger?) being logged and sent to a third party without user knowledge or consent, how is that not worse than just logging user information on the device?

To get access to your location data on the iPhone, someone would have to steal your phone or get into your itunes account. This is happening in the background.
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interlagos 5310 days ago
>All user data (since it is a keylogger?) being logged and sent to a third party without user knowledge or consent

Where does anyone say that it is being sent to a third party? This rather noob-ish developer noted that they have a keyboard hook, but in no way does that mean that they send all of your keystrokes to a third party.

Honestly I think I expect too much from HN. The level of discourse on here is absolutely no better than any typical blowhard site.

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hackoder 5310 days ago
I dont see how meta comments on HN help the discussion?

Directly from the article:

> “Our technology is not real time,” he said at the time. "It's not constantly reporting back. It's gathering information up and is usually transmitted in small doses.”

The issue is, we don't know what this software is gathering and sending. It is not being done with consent.

But you're right, this needs to be looked into before getting the pitchforks out. But certainly, having the presence of a keylogger is bad enough in itself.

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interlagos 5310 days ago
I'm sure people consented through some random paragraph in a two hundred page long EULA, usually under the guise of quality monitoring.

The meta is pertinent. I expect the sort of knee-jerk reaction among non-software developers. I don't among a more educated in the realm crowd.

There is little chance this company is recording, much less transmitting, everything you type, every message you receive, etc. I would hazard a guess that they do, however, record basic usage patterns to let the carrier know how people are using their devices ("6975 characters average per day, send 256 messages while receiving 12. Spends an average 37 seconds in the dialer.").

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