[throwaway21222]

So I'm not a big lisp guy, but from what I understand and what I know of CL, lisp is in a much better place on the expressiveness:simplicity relationship than Scala.

That said, some of these issues (slow collections, talent availability, tools) have nothing to do with language complexity and might affect almost any relatively new programming language if the implementors didn't consciously work to counteract it.

[Peaker]

Lisp is in a very different domain, being dynamically/uni-typed, whereas Scala is statically typed. Statically typed languages don't aim only for simplicity/power ratio, but also for various compile-time guarantees.

[spaznode]

"That's just conpletely false. I don't know where your assertions are coming from but language design absolutely has a great deal to do with what kind of tools / developers you can expect to find to support the language. I'm all a-huff with the sheer gall and ignorance of your assertion that I'm just not even sure what to do. Bad developer. >:( bad"

Revised: fine ok maybe a bit harsh. My opinion is that language design would be extremely influencial over how people implementing collections/tools/compilers go about doing their work and what the end result of their efforts would look like. In fact they probably are more telling of a design than anything else. That last part was sort of bs guesswork but it sounds right. Happy now?