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by fennecfoxen 1368 days ago
People are great. Each person has intrinsic dignity and worth. Economic studies on safety and medicine spending and the like show us the demonstrated value of the lived experience of a single person is worth millions. All else being equal — a major caveat, of course — more people is better.

Imagine walking up to an arbitrary random person and saying “the world would be better off if you don’t exist.” Or better, imagine someone doing that to you. Not out of malice, not because you’re a bad person, not because you waste resources, just out of the premise that fewer people is a better thing intrinsically. That’d be a load of crap, right? Quod eras demonstrandum.
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kypro 1368 days ago
Assume you're on an island with a finite amount of food, now run this experiment again.

The optimal number of humans depends on how finite resources are in an environment. Adding an extra person to an island with a shortage of resources would likely increase human suffering.

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pwinnski 1368 days ago
That is exactly the sort of assumption that caused Ehrlich to miss the target in The Population Bomb: there turned out not to be a finite amount of food. Or, if the amount is finite, we were "currently" (at the time) producing a tiny subset, as evidence by the vastly-higher quantity of food we're producing now.

As a fellow response comment illustrates, the arrogance of believing you know the "optimal number of humans" means missing out on the amazing and wonderful things future humans are going to make possible.

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soupfordummies 1368 days ago
Assume you're on the island and all n people on the island with you are smashing coconuts all day long just to have enough sustenance.

But maybe person n+1 is able to start catching fish...

I think there's more variables and it's possible our finite resources are more than enough to sustain everyone. However, they may not be enough to sustain endless growth of capital.

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thefz 1368 days ago
Animals have been adjusting their numbers according to availability of resources since the start. Humans found a way out of this but I fear that we are going to fall back into it very soon.
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tomjen3 1368 days ago
When you assume things that are not true, you get wrong answers.
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