[thro388]

Being banned from Mozilla is actually sort of endorsement for me :)

I was worried this project is just repacked Thunderbird, with malware. This makes it more legit.

Also some people do not like politics in Mozilla Corp. Firefox is supposed to be privacy focused, yet it uses Google for search, CEO salaries, scraping promising tech etc...

I use Brave browser, created by a guy who was also banned from Mozilla, it works great.

[n3storm]

I cannot find any search result that slightly or strongly support your claim that "Brave browser creator was banned from Mozilla".

Any links?

[grey_earthling]

They mean Brendan Eich.

He was appointed Mozilla's CEO. There was then some public discussion about his political donations (Brendan donated money to a campaign trying to prevent gay people from marrying because of their gender) and whether they were relevant to this position. After a couple of weeks he stepped down as Mozilla's CEO.

His Wikipedia article has more details — if you just can't get enough real-time “people shouting at each other” and you want to add some historical “people shouting at each other” to bulk it out a bit.

[speeder]

I think he is referring to the massive fallout after Brendan Eich (one of the founders of Mozilla and now founder of Brave) donated some money to a socially conservative political campaign (I forgot what one).

Brendan "quit" Mozilla, but many people consider that he was kinda forced to quit.

[weberer]

It was the 2008 California Proposition 8 which banned same-sex marriage. Its worth noting at the time that 52% of Californians agreed with him and 48% were against. It wasn't until 2014 when he was cancelled for it and people were calling it an "extreme" position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8

[PopAlongKid]

> 52% of Californians agreed with him

More precisely, that's 52% of less than 80% of registered voters.

[Yoric]

It's complicated.

Brave was founded by Brendan Eich, long-time Mozilla developer, long-time Mozilla CTO, briefly Mozilla CEO.

Brendan Eich also happened to be an anti-gay-marriage activist and donator (afaik, only his spare time, not at work) and California law says that if you donate more than [some sum of money], you must specify your employer. So, suddenly, a few days after Brendan Eich was nominated CEO, someone on Twitter published the records of Brendan Eich's donation, phrasing it as "Mozilla is donating against gay rights", or something like that. A shitstorm started, including death threats against Mozilla employees, a highly hypocritical PR campaign by OKCupid (whose CEO was member of the same political circles as Brendan Eich) to boycott Mozilla, etc. Brendan Eich was convinced to resign from Mozilla after about two weeks of this.

That's probably what GP calls "banned from Mozilla".

Of course, after this, US Conservatives rephrased this into "Mozilla is persecuting Christians", so the death threats continued, just from the other side.

Source: I was there.

[Beltalowda]

> Brendan Eich also happened to be an anti-gay-marriage activist and donator

AFAIK he only donated some money in 2008; I can't find anything on him being an "activist"?

And 2008 was the same year Obama said "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." Although Obama did support it a few years later (2012). And the prop 8 he donated to was actually passed, so a majority of CA residents at the time agreed with him. My point is, it was a mainstream view (and to some degree, still is, although less so).

For what it's worth, I strongly support same-sex marriage, but I feel this ostracisation of anyone who disagreed is not doing the cause any good... Oh well, old drama...

[Yoric]

> AFAIK he only donated some money in 2008; I can't find anything on him being an "activist"?

I may be misremembering that part.

[paulv]

> Brendan Eich also happened to be an anti-gay-marriage activist and donator (afaik, only his spare time, not at work)

Presumably the donations were of money that he made at work.

[selwynii]

As if the history of the dollars used is relevant. Chase money far enough and 90% of US bills have some trace of cocaine. Should we avoid any and all donations because it's drug money?

[naasking]

> Presumably the donations were of money that he made at work.

And? It's his money at that point, is it not? Isn't "work" trading labour for money? While working you abide by the rules and principles of your employer and outside of that, you operate by your own principles.

[ArchieMaclean]

Brendan Eich - wasn't banned per se, but resigned as CEO of Mozilla after it came to light he'd donated to a cause supporting the ban of same-sex marriage. This is all on Wikipedia.