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by themitigating 1372 days ago
The process of voting is legitimate.

Does giving legitimacy to voting accomplish anytime? What about protesting the system by not voting, does that do anything?

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> The process of voting is legitimate.

What do you mean by this? If I (a dictator) were to hold an election but require 90% approval to unseat me, that would be a "legitimate" process because it includes voting?

Do you not understand what I am saying?

> What about protesting the system by not voting, does that do anything?

Arguably yes. Afghanistan's state legitimacy collapsed as basically fewer than 10% of people voted in any of it's elections and then the government fell.

What event in Afghanistan are you referring to and can you prove it was because of a lack of legitimacy due to lack of voter participation?
The fall of the government in Kabul. I'm not saying this is the single causal event, but lower than 10% voting definitely contributed to a lack of legitimacy of the central govt leading to its fall.
Do you proof that it was a cause?

Counter is that participation in European country elections is also low, though probably higher than 10 percent, but that didn't cause them to fall

Where in Europe is election participation even close to that low?
The way they've done it for decades where I live, is party A and party B serve the same master on all substantial issues, so pick a "hot button" social issue that neither side will ever do anything about and have A and B take opposing views. Then do some gatekeeping where both parties and the media agree to push hard propaganda that voting 3rd party is "throwing your vote away".

The people in charge are the ones who pick the two almost identical candidates. There will be no change in economic or foreign policy regardless of winner.

(Edited, the other way is to push hard core identity politics where demographic groups are owned by certain parties, so voting has all the legitimacy of a mere census. The only way to influence policy would be having (or not having) children)

Totally disagree.
Why?