[realusername]

I don't want to use xcode either, their tooling is terrible and the only reason I use it is because of Apple intentionally obfuscating their build and release process.

That's strange people think as it's providing some kind of "value" which needs to be paid, in reality it's the opposite, it's a problematic byproduct of the monopoly which I would get rid of given the choice.

[natch]

Just compile with command line tools and use any editor you want. The xcodebuild command line tool, which is distinct from Xcode lest there’s any confusion, is pretty well documented.

Under the hood it uses clang, which was developed with Apple support and which I guess has some value…

[smoldesu]

> which was developed with Apple support and which I guess has some value…

Clang was a community project, same as LLVM. Apple came along and threw money at it because of FOMO (very similar to CUPS) and eventually a XNU toolchain followed. Apple didn't really provide any value beyond support that already existed for FOSS operating systems.

[natch]

In name it was a community project. Chris Lattner was an Apple employee and it was his job. After which he also started Swift…