[Skgqie1]

America wants freedom for America above everything else. It's why they engage in subversive and potentially destabilising operations abroad (in order to "protect" their own freedom).

Internally, the situation is not much different (at least from an outsiders perspective). The elite and wealthy effectively using their resources to further the gap between themselves and the lower rungs in the name of profit.

Externally, the propaganda is aimed at distracting from how disruptive they are in other countries affairs (most notable in recent history being the Middle East). Internally, it seems like it's indoctrination into the belief of the inherent superiority of capitalism, and the construction of strawmen to distract from real issues.

[jevgeni]

What would be the alternative? Wanting freedom for everyone in the world at the cost of your own?

[gdy]

Yeah, because the whole world wants to take away their freedom. That's the most ridiculous cliché of American internal propaganda.

[jevgeni]

I just inverted the logic of the original comment and a argumentative device. I see no evidence for what you are saying.

[gdy]

That started with 9/11 with "what is at stake is not just America's freedom", "this struggle for freedom and security for the American people" and so on [0].

Good old times when Putin was first to call Bush and offer all the possible help [1].

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attack...

[1] https://carnegieendowment.org/2001/10/24/u.s.-russia-relatio...

[spoiler]

Contrary to what you seem to believe, freedom doesn't have to be a zero sum game

[jevgeni]

So why claim that America wants freedom at the expense of everyone else?

[spoiler]

But hasn't the American government constantly meddled in other countries' affairs and justified it using freedom/democracy to its own people?

I don't want to be insensitive, but the whole 9/11 thing is such hypocrisy. They call it a terrorist attack, but America has been and is the terrorists to a substantial portion of the world. Claiming otherwise is just ignorant

[_glsb]

Russia has "filtration camps" right now. China commits genocide against the Uyghurs. I'd say _that's_ a baseline for calling someone a terrorist. USA is marginally better.

[pessimizer]

China dubiously rounded up an enormous number of Muslims often on extremely tenuous or nonsensical suspicion of being separatists, and released the vast majority of them, of not all of them, two or three years ago.

The US killed six million Muslims in the war on terror.

edit: so for perspective, only 13.5 million Uighurs exist in the world, and the vast majority survived the hardship and imposition China unleashed on them in a fairly brutal Sinoization campaign meant to stop a separatist movement that was using terrorism. The US killed 6 million Muslims to respond to 9/11, and virtually none of them were of the nationality or related to the people who hijacked the planes, who came from a close ally of the US. Instead, we killed Iraqis.