[seibelj]

It’s not that the interest is higher now! It’s that it’s fixed for 30 years no matter what the interest rate environment is! Plus it can be paid off early and refinanced when it suits the borrower!

I don’t know how more clearly I can state why this is a glaring subsidy for the rich. I’m sure in a free market these would just appear by themselves /s

[nostrademons]

My point is that fixed-rate jumbo loans are not a taxpayer subsidy, they're a banking subsidy. The bank is left holding the bag for existing jumbo loans when interest rates move against them.

There is some historical validity to the point that fixed-rate mortgages existed because of taxpayer subsidies. The creation of the FHA during the New Deal, and Fannie-Mae shortly after that, basically jumpstarted the practice. But there's a difference between jumpstarting the a market and continued subsidy of it. The existence of jumbo loans is an indication that even without taxpayer subsidies, fixed-rate mortgages still exist, presumably because the expectation of price stability means that private institutions don't think that the risk of interest rate variability is that great (jumbo mortgage borrowers usually pay about 0.5% more, so that's the implied risk premium). This can change during times of high price variability - my parents mortgage was 13.5% back in 1978, because expected inflation was about that. But that also indicates that interest rate risk is primarily absorbed by the private markets, and taxpayer subsidies play a relatively small part in it.

[kpommerenke]

A mortgage with a fixed interest rate and no prepayment penalty is no subsidized since the borrower pays for the option to prepay the mortgage with a higher interest rates than they would be able to get if they were not able to prepay the loan. The market prices in the value of the call option.

[seibelj]

Yes I'm sure all of these mortgages would be identically offered with such generous terms without the government being involved every step of the way

[nostrademons]

The point being made here is that we actually do have the counterfactual available to us. Jumbo mortgages are not underwritten by the government, and they're exclusively private transactions between lender and borrower where the lender keeps the mortgage on the books and assumes all risk of default, interest rate changes, inflation, etc. And we know the market premium for this risk, because we can compare the difference in rates between a jumbo and conforming loan. It's about a half a percent.