[bmitc]

The fact that these standards (?) or versions (?) of C++ are so wildly different to summon these types of opinions is mind blowing to me. I like languages like F#, Elixir, Erlang, etc. that have cores that basically never change and just add quality of life improvements, and so I have never experienced this. C++ seems like such a minefield that C++ developers have little in common with how other C++ developers work, experienced or not.

[jcelerier]

C++ people have a large propensity to complain though. We're more than a decade after type inference, one of the largest QoL improvement possible, was introduced and some people still claim it was a bad thing and that all types should be written down in their entirety. Do you imagine this in your language's communities? I had discussions about this with dozens of c++ programmers in real life.

[int_19h]

> Do you imagine this in your language's communities?

Absolutely! C# introduced "var" back in 2008, and to this day there are people arguing that you shouldn't use it except when it's outright impossible to spell out the type.

From what I hear, it's the same story with "var" in Java 10.

[missblit]

FWIW as a professional C++ programmer since I graduated university 7 years ago I haven't really had that experience.

There's certainly a large learning gap; both for "classic" C++ as well as the popular modern features. But once you get over that I haven't found other peoples C++ any harder to read than other peoples C or JavaScript or Python.

No one's reaching to esoteric features like "..." or atomics unless they're some low level library wizard (in which case all their friends are also low level library wizards) or the situation actually calls for it.

[adrianmsmith]

Java was like that for so many years, it was fundamentally unchanged for decades really. And now (for the last 5 years or so) it's changing rapidly, new code just doesn't look like old code ("var" type inference, lambdas rather than inner classes in many cases, multi-line strings with """, new switch statement syntax etc.) I mean I like it so far but it's kind of weird to be honest!