[leeoniya]

> A person working as a cashier has a right to a decent living. This has nothing to do with "career".

i think people have a right to food, clean water, shelter, and healthcare. regardless of their employment status. no one should be homeless. but 'decent' is an odd word. should a cashier have a right to 'decently' raise/feed/house 6 kids? i'm not sure. should a cashier have a right to a decent living in the most expensive city in the world? that's a tough one; all cities need cashiers. probably they should be able to afford to rent a studio apt at least, that's not a 60min commute.

[kaibee]

What about ~2.1 kids? As that is how many kids people need to have to at least maintain a replacement rate population.

[leeoniya]

i dont know what the number should be. but when it comes to supporting dependents, i would say that we as a society do not have an obligation to make every job - no matter how trivial/approachable/unnecessary - sufficient for the task.

[dmitriid]

So, you are going to draw a very arbitrary line where you define a human life to be worth it.

Do fast food workers qualify? Garbage collectors? Store clerks? Mailmen? Taxi drivers?

There are millions of jobs that you routinely depend on in your life. But sure. "We as society don't owe them anything".

[leeoniya]

the flip side of this is, of course, should every job be subsidized to support any lifestyle? i'm guessing that the answer is "no". so there is in fact a line to be drawn.

shoe repair doesnt pay what it used to a century ago, but somone can definitely start a business doing it in 2022, and then discover that it's a job that cannot sustain a family of 4. so the person will need to seek greener pastures. how is the gig or unskilled labor situation any different? if it doesnt pay enough to support dependents, then you have to do something else.

i think it's reasonable to say every job should support one person, but more than this should require more than minimum effort.

some of the jobs you listed can pay pretty well (after some time), actually. but bagging groceries at a supermarket is not one of them.

[dmitriid]

> should every job be subsidized to support any lifestyle

What do you mean by subsidize? You don't "subsidize jobs". You provide a living wage.

What do you mean by "this lifestyle"? It's not a "lifestyle" to have a decent life.

> how is the gig or unskilled labor situation any different

Because, as it was already pointed to you repeatedly, there might not be a choice of greener pastures. Besides this, why do you insist that a person working 8 hours in the hell that is fast food industry isn't worthy of having a decent life outside work? Who is worthy then? You? Why? Where do you draw the line?

I mean, you probably wouldn't last more than a few days in most "unskilled labor" jobs (which actually require quite a lot of skill). But sure, do tell me how you're better.

[leeoniya]

> I mean, you probably wouldn't last more than a few days in most "unskilled labor" jobs (which actually require quite a lot of skill).

you seem to know a lot about me, and what i've been through.