[glitcher]

I agree it is a complex topic rife with moral quandaries. Another component of the overall picture is the sobering reality that without the weapons of war and military technology, we wouldn't have a country or government to call our own. Nations are born from the victors of violent conflicts, so it is difficult to grasp that my own distaste for violence and military technology is a direct privilege granted from their previous use by those who came before me.

[giraffe_lady]

There's an old lefty joke I believe dating from the vietnam war that I heard many years ago it goes like this:

"Does america need to have the most powerful military in the world?"

"Well it certainly does now!"

Maybe it didn't have to be this way. If it does maybe we should just stand up and bear the consequences of the world we've made. If everyone wants us destroyed so badly they might be on to something.