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by job_suche 1369 days ago
I am myself quite short (168cm). Growing up I had no insecurities about it, because I only started becoming short after puberty. Anyway, there was a period between ages 21 and 25 when I was obsessed about my height. Natural selection is pretty cruel. If you have good looks do not take them for granted. Now I care less about my height and more about my lack of hair.

It is really not healthy to obsess over this stuff. As I said, natural selection is pretty cruel in general, but it is also stochastic in nature. Being short, or bald, is not a death sentence, although it does make things harder.

There's one thing I have to say though. If you're successful and you still need to go to such lengths to attract women, you have yourself to blame and not your height.

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> Natural selection is pretty cruel.

Is it? I think this is just the fallacious conclusion that results from a lack of humility and from a sense of entitlement. If you believe you're entitled to X, but you don't have what it takes for X, then you set yourself up for self-pity, envy, and grievance as if you've been wronged somehow by not getting what you (falsely) believe you are entitled to. But neither our qualities nor what those qualities can bring us are things we are owed. The solution is to recognize the truth about ourselves, here the immutable truth, and play with those cards instead of wishing we were someone else or had different cards, or hating those with better cards. The latter is a waste of time and ultimately self-destructive.

There is also a kind of dualism at work here. We see ourselves as somehow separate from our qualities. But we are those qualities! They are part of who and what we are. You could not have been otherwise without being someone else.

Egocentrism is a recipe for misery and no amount of manipulation or make believe will ever address the underlying mental and spiritual problem. It's much healthier to accept what you are and be grateful and work with what you have. Occupy your niche. If you're a tortoise, be a tortoise instead of fantasizing about being a cheetah.

Furthermore, surgery like this is essentially a form of lying. You are falsely advertising about your qualities. Whatever benefits you receive because of the mere appearance of having such qualities instead of the genuine thing is a species of fraud. Anything you receive through fraud will taste like ash in your mouth in the end.

And these traits won't be communicated to your children. In this way, you subvert natural selection.

Note also the incoherence. If the trait matters, then your deception is made worse. If the trait doesn't matter, yet people seem to value it anyway (a common form of denial among the have-nots), then why cater to those with a bad sense of value? Any appreciation you receive is fake anyway.

Those are a lot of nice words, but I stand by my statement that natural selection is pretty cruel. I do not see how accepting one's fate makes it any less cruel.

I did not comment on the surgery and do not approve of such measures.

The baseline standards for natural selection being cruel are de novo genetic diseases, not some people being short. Nature has no way to tell whether or not a gene sequence will kill a 20 year old except wrapping a person around it and shooting it out.
If you allow me to assume you are male, my quickmafs thinks you're taller than 4/5 women, as opposed to the median male who is taller than 19/20 of women.

Do other women want men taller than they are, or do they want men taller than other men? I don't understand the mechanism myself.

One time, I found a scatter plot of male and female heights in pairings, and there was a pretty clear drop-off at x=y. If you're really interested, that's the data source you'd want to have.

Of course, it wouldn't solve the causal question. Are women rejecting men who are shorter, or are men mentally gear-shifting around people who are taller than them? The latter might sound insulting, but that's actually what you'd want it to be, because then you could overcome it with a really good attitude. If all of the grown up monkeys going around in this world are programmed to let the big monkey do the bossing around, that's something you'd expect to see subconsciously acting on both sides - and you'd be able to deal with half of by yourself.

Some women want men taller than they are with high heels. Some women want men taller than a round number taller than other men.
> you still need to go to such lengths
Regarding dating. If your goal is to find a great life partner and have a wonderful family, I find being short to actually be a benefit. Garbage women will self-select themselves out of your potential dating pool.