[PuppyTailWags]

> You could try bringing up relevant situations where a breach of privacy was the proximate cause of a systemic negative consequence on a large scale

The US Government directly used census data to target families and neighborhoods to send to internment camps within living memory.

Something ongoing: prosecutions are currently underway to parties who have abortions or assist in abortions based off of private correspondences such as texting, calling, or facebook messages.

[JimmieMcnulty]

So your most recent widespread example is 80+ years ago, and then a very tiny hypothetical set of lawsuits that have not been filed (zero prosecutions are "under way")?

[PuppyTailWags]

My most recent widespread example was so recently that there are people still alive who were subjected to it, yes. Regarding the other point: this is not a hypothetical set of lawsuits. People are getting prosecuted, criminally, right now.

[JimmieMcnulty]

> People are getting prosecuted, criminally, right now.

Name one person who is being prosecuted for obtaining an abortion, and that prosecution is moving forward due to evidence collected from any kind of extrajudicial breach of privacy.

[PuppyTailWags]

Woah, what's this about the breach of privacy needing to be extrajudicial? There was nothing about that originally. These are goalposts being moved. I refuse to continue this line of discussion if the discussion is happening in bad faith with moving goalposts.

[JimmieMcnulty]

Because we all agree that warrants do need to exist to catch bad guys...

I refuse to continue a discussion with someone who doesn't believe in the concept of a warrant.

[jen20]

Out of interest if this is your position, why does your profile list a protonmail account instead of something on US soil?