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by lkitching
1375 days ago
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There's been a fair amount of churn in the ecosystem, even if the language itself has been very stable. Leiningen was ubiquitous 5-6 years ago, but if you
switched to using deps for dependency management you lost the ability to run tests or build uberjars and had to manually re-create these on a per-project
basis. Now there's tools.build, but that also requires you to manually write essentially the same tasks for basic functionality in each project. Leiningen
and tools.deps also seem to resolve depedencies differently, so you can run into issues simply by migrating from one to the other. |
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Like in Javascript, for example, any lib composed with CRA (Create React App) is painfully difficult to re-use in non-CRA apps. You constantly run into dependency resolution pain with Haskell; Python has toolchain resolution problems; .Net has its own challenges. Well, at least .Net folks don't have to run three different, incompatible versions of Visual Studio anymore to compile a single project. I do remember those days.
If I had to run multiple versions of Clojure, Leiningen, or CIDER on a single machine to compile different projects, or if Clojure folks had to invent something like pyenv, yeah, I'd agree that there is a problem.
You just can't make everyone happy. People either complain that "Clojure is dying" because some lib hasn't been updated since March, or "Clojure has too much churn" because Cognitect rolled out a new lib.
Clojure earned the fame of being very stable because you can pick any five-six years old project and it still would compile. Now you're complaining that you've decided to switch to a different build tool and saying it's painful?
Do you know what's painful? Having to migrate from Angular to React and to keep them both in the same .js project during the transition phase. Clojure has nothing of that sort. So many times we slowly moved from one thing to another with virtually zero downtime.
I can compare the frustration you seem to describe with my own experience building thing in different languages. Clojure by far is the least frustrating in that regard.