[marginalia_nu]

I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive. It's fully possible someone else is living a life that is what I want my life to be, not because social standards have forced anyone to do anything, but because they've accomplished (through intrinsic motivation) what I also set out to accomplish (through intrinsic motivation).

[unity1001]

> It's fully possible someone else is living a life that is what I want my life to be

Its fully possible, but its also statistically improbable for enough number of people to be doing that, and even more improbable for it being a common aspiration in the society. The aspirations and standards of the society generally follow the lines of money and a hip/desirable status at any given time according to the dominant fad.

[hnfong]

I think what you're saying is "most people blindly follow trends", which might be true. But it seems totally orthogonal to whether somebody is comparing themselves to others because they are trend followers or not. Your argument basically is "but it's quite likely a random person is a trend follower anyway", but that's not a good reason to tell people to avoid compare themselves to others. Rather it's a good reason to tell people not to follow fads...

[unity1001]

> I think what you're saying is "most people blindly follow trends"

More than that. Society, especially parents, relatives and peer groups keep pressure on the individuals to follow the 'desirable' trends.

> "but it's quite likely a random person is a trend follower anyway"

Yes. That's quite likely. Because the general sample set available to the public for making comparisons, generally end up people who have followed the trends. Be it among the relatives, be it from the sample set at Linked in. You will scarcely find people saying 'I became a poet and Im happy' or "I followed my dream of becoming an oil rig worker instead of a lawyer". The public, vocal feedback will tend to follow the society's requirements.

[marginalia_nu]

I'm not sure I follow why that would be. Surely most people, even when intrinsically motivated, would be expected to gravitate toward certain common interests that are appealing to human beings at large.

You're more likely to find a human interested in learning to play the guitar than staring intently at a squirrel out the window for hours (although a a cat might be interested in that).

[unity1001]

> would be expected to gravitate toward certain common interests that are appealing to human beings at large.

They do. But these rarely end up being the jobs that the society respects and recommends. Things may change in near future with new ways of working and making a living. But currently, what you really want to do and what society things to be 'good' will likely not overlap.

[marginalia_nu]

Sure, but I can still envy and admire someone for succeeding according to my standards, regardless of what society says about them.

[unity1001]

Of course. Anyone can admire anyone, and actually people should admire people. But choosing to govern one's own life and fate over other people is not a good way to go where one really would want to be, from deep inside.