[lloppal]

Different people can come to different conclusions. And maybe, in 50 years, we will know that the tipping point was well before 2008 even.

The earth is a complex system and surely you don't want to deny the massive changes that human activities do to its ecosystems. It's better to be careful than continuing the careless exploitation.

[canoebuilder]

The earth is a complex system that is true, and if you know what that means, it means it is impossible to accurately predict with any consistency what will happen in the future.

I don’t think it is “being careful” to promulgate relentless doomerism with no self reflection as to whether or not your predictions panned out in the past.

I do think we should be mindful of earth ecosystems. I think it would be better to do that in ways that are concretely addressable and quantifiable. Not the climate doom religion fear mongering , buy my carbon offset, or pat me on the back for my corporate green washing.

There is no path forward for human civilization as we know it without fossil fuels any time soon.

I don’t understand this drive people have to induce this sense of anxiety and foreboding in themselves and others.

[lloppal]

The drive is fueled by more than a century of hard science. Imagine being convinced by countless, well proven and reproducible facts, that e. g. our CO2 emissions create a greenhouse effect but seeing little effort to mitigate that. Of course the voices get more loud and panicked. Especially when you see clear patterns of drastic, fatal and irreversible changes like permafrost melting or species after species vanishing.

I don't understand how people can put up blinders and pretend there is no actual and horrific danger.