[greatgib]

Clear example of when you will sell your soul and your country for money. This in itself explains why the world is currently in a downward trend with everything going worse and worse.

I just hope that when the shit will hit the fan for India, then US, EU and related countries will remember to let India deal with it alone and not provide them assistance!

[dartharva]

With the kind of history it has had, India knows it's futile and extremely moronic to keep faith in the West for any kind of help when, if ever, "shit hits the fan" for it. That's actually among the main reasons it has chosen to not squander its relationship with its one trusted ally.

[chickenimprint]

The amount of aid Ukraine is receiving from the west, simply for being a victim is flabbergasting. If India rejects liberal international relations for realist ones, if India supports perpetrators, India can't expect help from the west when China comes knocking. How can a western government sell to their voters, assistance for a country that supported the unmerited killing of Ukrainian civilians?

Liberal international relations work on the same game theoretical principles as any group interaction with a prisoner's dilemma-type payoff matrix. The optimal strategy for any individual is to betray, to not do work on the group project and still receive good grades, to fake your credentials on your CV and still get the job, to subsidize the murder of Ukrainians and still receive economic benefits and international sympathy.

Of course, if everyone refuses to work on the group project, you receive a failing grade. If everyone fakes their credentials, the company fails due to lack of expertise, if every country prioritizes their own interests over avoiding conflict, the world goes back to the pre-WWII era of rampant warfare, colonialism and exploitation. The optimal strategy for groups is to zealously persecute defectors.

This is the reason why this decision is much more relevant to India's future than you think. It's the reason why the West seems like a vindictive in-group that doesn't tolerate dissent. It's the same old mechanism that instructed the first multicellular organism to destroy cancerous cells. The mechanism that makes guppies instinctively reject their own conspecifics if they don't participate in the dangerous inspection of predators. The mechanism that drives our conceptions of justice, vengeance and shame.

[twelve40]

India will get hypothetical help from the West when China comes hypothetically knocking, if and only if it will benefit the West at that moment. Everything else is talk, and talk is cheap.

A country that went through partitioning and other West-induced "adventures" knows it.

[trasz]

>assistance for a country that supported the unmerited killing of Ukrainian civilians

Let me guess - you believe this is some kind of civil war, and Russia is the peacekeeping force. So - well, please do some reading. What it is, is an imperial war against Ukraine, intended to destroy Ukraine as a nation and grab their people and resources. Russians are razing entire cities to ground; they killed about hundred thousand people in Mariupol alone.

To compare, the victim count of the "civil war" in Donbas was ~hundreds. Hundreds people, not hundreds of thousands. And am unknown number of those were Russian operatives.

[licebmi__at__]

The amount of help other victimized countries get from the west is an indication that Ukraine it’s only getting help because it’s useful to help them, and even so, going by Zelensky, not really enough.

So while going with Putin might not be the right action, just betting on the west’s goodwill its certainly foolish.

[cubancigar11]

China came a knocking several times, most recently 2022[1]. You know what "The West" has done? Its media doesn't even report on it while it trades with dictatorships like China and Saudia Arabia and Pakistan's military while constantly shitting on the biggest democratic nation in the world and its elected leaders. "The West" can go fsck itself, seriously.

It will many many decades, may be Centuries, before Ukrainian understand that tolerating Nazism is not a good plan and undermining the culture that gave Buddhu and Gandhi is immoral. It may take more time to realize that this war is completely manufactured outside of Europe.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932022_China%E2%80%...

[trasz]

You do realise that to Russia EU is still a more beneficial customer than India or China?

Sure, would be nice if they also officially joined, but complaining this way about their current choice is hypocrisy.