| Ever observe a certain level of intense personal drama in real life where people start getting unhinged and start getting into the slashing tires, keying cars, jumping the other with a weapon, or setting others' property on fire phase of conflict? You have 2 sets of friends both telling you that the other side did X,Y,Z because they're evil and insane. You can sort of parcel out the gist of what might have happened with enough investigation, but ultimately you weren't there and making a concrete decision on whose fault the drama was involves making a judgement call after talking to friends who are all biased about what happened and knowing that each side is trying to be persuasive towards their side. That's sort of where I am stuck right now. Wikipedia and the mainstream news sources it links to are absolutely not trustworthy, unbiased sources or interpreters about anything like this event. Asking me to look at Wikipedia links for the best objective interpretation of this mess would be like asking me to ask the best friend of a jilted lover in the middle of intense personal drama and assuming that I'm getting a purely accurate portrayal of events. I'm not claiming any sort of moral high ground here. I'm only claiming 2 things. 1) Ignorance about Kiwifarms. I never followed that drama to begin with or knew about that site's culture and activity. Maybe they're very guilty, I just can't prove that with what I know. 2) Wikipedia and the media are horrendously awful sources for this kind of drama. Please note: I'm not claiming Kiwifarms is innocent here. I acknowledge that they could be very guilty. I think it's reasonable to guess that they probably are. I just can't reasonably make a concrete judgement like that without seeing first-hand info in context that illustrates this clearly. It's an important detail to me that the Kiwifarms site is down and can't really be researched very fully outside of perhaps some Archived links. And even if the site was up, you'd miss out on what was deleted by admins or not in real-time...which is very important to this case. Was Kiwifarms trying to remove illegal content? It's hard to say after the fact with this level of drama unless you were in the middle of it and following posts and how they operated in real time. All I'm going to do from now on is keep my eyes open and try and learn more about Kiwifarms if I come across any reasonably trustworthy looking articles that aren't obvious polemics. |