[scarface74]

Now they are also raising rounds of funding “chasing after the enterprise”. Every single time a small bootstrapped company tries to “accelerate growth by going after the enterprise” the product gets worse for consumers. See also DropBox.

1Password’s desktop app is much worse than it use to be all while each platforms built in capabilities are getting better.

[selectodude]

>1Password’s desktop app is much worse than it use to be all while each platforms built in capabilities are getting better.

I keep reading this but as a user of 1Password over the past decade or so, the functionality hasn't changed much. I'm confused as to what they're spending all the VC money on because these re-writes haven't done much but in terms of functionality, I think it's best in class.

What am I missing?

[roustem]

Thank you for using 1Password!

A full rewrite takes a lot of time. We did this twice in the past and it is always painful. We had to do it again this time because the discrepancies between the platforms became ridiculous and we had to fix this. For example, the same search would produce different results on Mac and Windows and Android.

We also took time to address some of the pain points that existed in 1Password 7. For example, it was technically possible to have a different Master Password on your Mac and iPhone, etc.

The local database was rewritten and we made sure that everything that is possible is fully encrypted. For example, all rich icons are now stored encrypted. We also changed the logging system to make sure no personal information is ever logged. At the same time, we had to make sure the data format is backwards compatible with the old version so that both 1Password 8 and 1Password 7 can be used during the transition.

We ran over 100 studies with both existing users and people who never tried 1Password before to make sure the apps are more usable by everyone.

For new users we added New Item experience that made it easier to navigate through templates and understand how to use 1Password. For developers, we added CLI integration, support for SSH keys, and a built-in SSH agent that secures your ssh private keys.

Brand new Linux app, more than 100 new features and improvements overall, on top of the full rewrite.

[gonehome]

Thanks for sharing some extra context.

I'm a fan (been using it for 10yrs I think?) and think the HN sentiment around it is not representative (it's the only app I'd actually recommend to people and that I trust my family can use).

The family vault features are really great and I was glad to see the browser dropped (I didn't really get why it existed).

I do miss some native features (like the iOS letter column on the right that made it very fast to find something in the list), but generally get that there are tradeoffs to be made.

Thanks!

[roustem]

Thank you so much!

> I do miss some native features (like the iOS letter column on the right that made it very fast to find something in the list), but generally get that there are tradeoffs to be made.

You are not the only who missed this feature and it is coming back soon. It wasn't available in SwiftUI and we had to go back to UIKit to implement it.

[arjvik]

I really want to purchase 1Password Family right away, but one thing is holding me back.

Why does 1Password not support Duo Push 2FA for personal accounts? I shouldn't need to pay for a business account to get that.

[scarface74]

While I don’t have any opinion about the features, they did have native app and now the app is Electron based.

[robocat]

https://blog.1password.com/1password-8-the-story-so-far/

Common rust library code with platform specific UI code.

Native UI code for Android, macOS and iOS. The app is Electron based on Windows and Linux for the reasons they give in the article.

Article from a year ago, so maybe outdated.

[Corrado]

I use Bitwarden and almost never use the app. Most of my interaction comes from the browser plug-in and Bitwarden.com.

[roustem]

from the founder of 1Password: would love to learn where you think it is worse.

1Password 8 has a ton of new features and it is faster than the previous version. Some of the new features like Universal Autofill and SSH Agent do not exist in any other product. It also fixes many problems that accumulated in the app over the years.

More on features here: https://1password.com/products/features/

a more visual description of what's new is here: https://1password.com/mac/

[jorvi]

Not the person you commented to, but I think the only real loss was 1Password Mini. There is the alternate ‘search bar’ mini app which is a decent replacement, I wish that was the one that pops up by default (like used to be with Mini).

You guys make a great product otherwise. It’s the only one where I strongly recommend it over the open source alternative (Bitwarden) even though I have a strong open source bias. There’s just a 1000 things in UI and UX that you guys do slightly better than the competition, sort of an inverse death by a thousand cuts.

[scarface74]

It’s more of a preference for a “real native Mac app” instead of an Electron app. Long time Mac users can feel the difference.

[roustem]

I see it from a different perspective. There are not that many real native Mac apps that both look and feel great. You could probably count them all on your hands.

Also, I certainly understand being the long time Mac expect. However, when we tested 1Password with new customers we found a ton of usability issues and many of these problems are solved in 1Password 8. One example, most new users couldn't even figure out how to create new items right away because of the look and the location of "New Item" button in the old app.

[PascLeRasc]

Please stop telling users their preferences are incorrect.

[blasphemers]

That's because they did a complete rewrite of it, something they talked about on a couple podcasts before they took on funding.