[vmihailenco]

It is the same license used by MariaDB, Sentry, CockroachDB, Couchbase and many others. Technically it is not open source and instead is called source available, but you can enjoy pretty much the same benefits.

Out of curiosity, what makes you uncomfortable about the license?

[fmajid]

Er, MariaDB is GPL2, and will forever be since it is derived from MySQL.

I'm guessing they aligned the license terms on those of ClickHouse, which is the underlying data store for Uptrace. From my understanding, if you use Uptrace and ClickHouse to manage your internal telemetry and don't offer it to clients, you should be fine. Still, non-standard license terms give pause, as there is always the possibility they will be restricted further in a bait-and-switch operation like that done by MongoDB or ElasticSearch.

[vmihailenco]

>the possibility they will be restricted further

It is true for all licenses, for example, it is possible to keep old code available under old permissive license but release all new code under a more restricted license.

None is safe! :)

[jillesvangurp]

This not correct. There's a difference between OSS projects with shared copyright (every individual contributor holds the copyright to their contributions) and oss projects where the copyright is required to be transferred to some company.

In the second case, this company then holds the copyright to the entire source tree and can re-license it at will. Mongo and Elastic did this and they are good examples of why you should not transfer copyright because they then have the right to re-license your contributions as they please. That's the reason they insist on copyright transfers. They reserve the right to change the license on future versions of the software. You can still use the old versions under the license that applied at the time.

So, Opensearch is a fork of the last Apache 2.0 licensed version of Elasticsearch. Versions after that are licensed under a non OSS license whereas Opensearch is a proper open source project where copyright belongs to individual contributors, which ironically is still mostly Elastic plus whatever individual opensearch contributors added.

Most projects don't insist on copyright transfers however and given enough external contributors it becomes increasingly hard for them to get permission to change he license.

Regardless of the license, there is absolutely zero chance of something like mysql, linux, or other long existing OSS projects ever being re-licensed because it would require tracing down tens of thousands of copyright holders (or their surviving relatives) to get permission for that most of whom would probably not be willing to do that. This is so impractical that it will never happen. And even if it happened, anyone could continue using and contributing under the old license. All you'd have is a fork that is cut off from those contributions (because licenses like Gpl v2 don't allow mixing with proprietary code). So given a permission you will never get, you'd have a fork that is effectively yours of an original source tree that still belongs to all the original contributors and is licensed under the original license.

OSS done properly builds communities that exist for as long as people continue to be willing to use and contribute to the software. Some OSS projects are now decades old.

[vmihailenco]

I am not a lawyer so I can't keep up the discussion on the necessary level so I will just clarify few things.

Uptrace uses the BSL license to forbid or rather not allow other companies creating a cloud service using Uptrace code, because that is how we are planning to monetize. But you can self-host Uptrace and use it as you want to monitor your (production) application. I think this is fair enough.

I am sure there are many complications with re-licensing, but it happens in practice, for example, Sentry now uses BSL license. And you can't do anything about it except to fork old Sentry. But then you will have to maintain it yourself.

And I am not arguing with anything you've said, but there are not that many financially thriving truly OSS projects. That's why people like me have to complicate their lives with BSL, AGPL, and others.

Thanks for the comment!

[avinassh]

> Technically it is not open source and instead is called source available, but you can enjoy pretty much the same benefits.

Since you already aware about it, could you update the OP from open source to source available, for the sake of transparency? If edit option is not available, you can request mods / dang

[traceroute66]

> Out of curiosity, what makes you uncomfortable about the license?

I can't speak for the OP, but my view is that all these semi-open (AGPL,BSL etc.) licenses do is muddy the waters. Its essentially giving the developer's lawyers enough grey area to work with in order to find something they can pin you on.

IMHO a company's code should either be closed source or open source. Wishy-washy no-mans-land wordings in the middle don't really help anyone (except the lawyer's bank balance, of course).

[vmihailenco]

Uptrace uses the BSL license to forbid or rather not allow other companies creating a cloud service using Uptrace code, because that is how we are planning to monetize. But you can self-host Uptrace and use it as you want to monitor your (production) application. I think this is fair enough.

If there is another license that better reflects our intentions, let us know.

[preisschild]

Why do you consider the AGPL semi-open? AGPL is just GPL specific to webservices

[jonasdevops]

I cannot run uptrace in Production:

> The Licensor hereby grants you the right to copy, modify, create derivative works, redistribute, and make non-production use of the Licensed Work.

So what is the point of even trying to install it in other environments?

[vmihailenco]

You can self-host Uptrace and use it in production environment. This is explicitly stated in the FAQ - https://github.com/uptrace/uptrace#faq . But you can't resell Uptrace to others.

I can only repeat that the same BSL license is used by MariaDB, Sentry, CockroachDB, Couchbase, and others. I am not a lawyer and thus not qualified to discuss details.

[detaro]

Read the next sentence of the license.