[WheelsAtLarge]

Yes, they are more sustainable but they are in no way replacements. I've had a few but I wouldn't make it a habit to replace meat with it. But I would surely replace one of my meals with 100% vegetables if it was easy to get and tasty. One that comes to mind is a bean and rice burrito with salsa. It's delicious. That's the type of replacements that should be pushed, not fake meats.

The idea that fake meat is so much better is crazy. It's just a new way to make a buck.

[DangitBobby]

As a vegetarian, having fake meat options is really great. Sometimes you just want a burger, or you need something that can be cooked on a grill at a social gathering. Just the fact that I can get fast food that isn't Taco Bell when I want to is a big deal.

[WheelsAtLarge]

Cool, have a fake meat option. It's a snack food option. But please don't tell me it's going to save the planet. It's not even close to doing that. It's just a way to sell another money making snack. I love French fries and eat them a few times a month but in no way am I kidding my self into thinking that I'm saving the planet.

[prepend]

As a former vegetarian, I loved boca burgers as they were cheap and high in proteins and minimally processed.

The new fake meats aren’t that great over existing meat substitutes and I’m frustrated that their price is so high and has not been coming down over the years available. I don’t see these being viable as they cost more than beef.

[DangitBobby]

At least at Burger King, Impossible Whoppers are only like $1 more. Most restaraunts, yeah they are the most expensive option by a couple of dollars. Very frustrating. Still good to have the option though, because the alternative is often a crappy house salad or sides.

[myshpa]

Beef is heavily subsidized. Give it time.

[atoav]

It is a bit like in the Matrix. If it tastes the same and you have a good feeling when you bite into it, is there really a difference?

I mean aside from the fact that we are now entering times where the water consumption of each unit of meat produced will become a serious issue and threaten the actual survival of people.

[jstummbillig]

It's quite simple: If someone replaces some type of food in their diet with something else, it's by definition a replacement.

People ate meat. Now instead of meat, and increasingly, they eat something else instead, which turns out to be better for the environment.

[myshpa]

> Yes, they are more sustainable but they are in no way replacements.

Yes, they are (source: am vegan).

> a bean and rice burrito with salsa. It's delicious. That's the type of replacements that should be pushed, not fake meats

If you're not vegan, please don't pretend you know what you're pushing for. Beans are superb, but a little variety won't harm anyone. If you'd eat burgers all your life, and then stop eating meat for the animals/health/earth, you might crave a burger now and then. Then you'd welcome all new "franken-meats" in the supermarket/burger joint.

Making a plant based meat that's not ultraprocessed is in fact a very simple thing to do. DIY plant-based meat may have minimum ingredients (protein, water & vegie-stock) and costs a fraction of the store-bought stuff.

And please stop pretending that omnivores don't eat processed crap, because they do.

Meat/dairy is full of harmful things (pesticides, herbicides, bacteria/toxins, antibiotics, all animals are scared/stressed for hours/days before slaughtering ...). If you're eating it, you're not eating healthier diet.

[WheelsAtLarge]

>Yes, they are (source: am vegan).

I'm not a vegan. Fake meat is sold as replacement for people like me. Give me a choice between fake meat and a vegie plate. I will pick the vegie plate 100% of the time. It's not a replacement for me.

I guess my real issue is that people think this will somehow help the planet. It won't. It's expensive so most people in the world will never be able to afford it. People with the money will mostly pick meat over it. It's a niche product at best. But the product is being sold as a the answer to save humanity. It's just a bunch of people trying to make a buck. All this when just reducing your meat intake would be so much better. It's just frustrating to me.

[oweiler]

Look for Indian cuisine, which in parts is both vegan and delicious/healthy. Much better than that overprocessed crap.

[midoridensha]

Almost all the Indian food I've had (which is indeed delicious) has been based on chicken.

[markeibes]

Why did you kill the planet, daddy? It was just too tasty!

[diffeomorphism]

That reply makes no sense to me. The post you are replying to suggested replacing meat with veggies (instead of fake meat). Why do you think eating veggies will "kill the planet"?

[tsol]

But super processed fake meats are way worse for the environment than bean burritos?