[AnimalMuppet]

We need to stop building massive cities in the desert and expecting that they'll have enough water. Maybe we should get on with that, instead?

And, when someone proposes that a grand "we" need to do something that will benefit them personally, that makes me a lot more skeptical. You want a water pipeline? You go build it. Don't look at me; don't even look at my tax dollars. But if you want it, feel free to get right on it.

[dv_dt]

If the cities weren’t built up the agricultural water users would likely just use more water. They account for 80% of California’s use.

[AnimalMuppet]

Right, but "XYZ Alfalfa Farm is going under because it can't get enough water" is a lot different from "Phoenix is without water". It's different in terms of economic impact, and it's different in terms of number of people affected.

[vorpalhex]

Most of that watershed is also theirs. The cities have taken more and more of it.

They can drive the farmers away, that is an option - then they'll have high food prices _and_ drought.

[dv_dt]

This is a curious way to put it. No matter what legal rights to water we have previously allocated, when everybody is going to be short of water - the legal rights only go so far. The whole reason for society to invest in carbon emission reductions, was to avoid difficult and costly outcomes like this.

The most legal solution to the legal shortfalls would likely for the right holders to go sue fossil fuel companies.

[vorpalhex]

If my house burns down because I built it in a wildfire area, I don't get to steal half of your house and call it redistribution.

This is an area that has always had drought issues. It is not just global warming. You don't get to sue whoever has a dollar.

[dv_dt]

If someone neglects to clear their home area of burn material, and their house catches fire then burns their neighbors house - there certainly is a liability.

We live in a society where individual actions and rights have boundaries when they cause social effects. Part of goverments function is working out the fair way to discuss and act one it - particularly during trying times - like mass regional drought.

[vorpalhex]

> If someone neglects to clear their home area of burn material, and their house catches fire then burns their neighbors house - there certainly is a liability.

This is actually incorrect. Liability only exists if you start the fire (and often times requires the element of negligence or intent).

> We live in a society where individual actions and rights have boundaries when they cause social effects

And that's why it's illegal to siphon your neighbors groundwater. We have hundreds of years of court cases on groundwater rights and they are generally clear - the owner of the land has rights to the groundwater before appropriation.

You can't build your home in a desert and then complain that it's a desert. That's a you problem. Go live somewhere with water.

[dataminded]

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