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by blfr 1387 days ago
> a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing

I keep hearing this allegation but it seems to be supported only by a poorly sourced twitter thread[1] and some articles that dance around the issue. How do we know this, especially the swatting?

And why isn't law enforcement stepping in? The operator is an American afaict. It's not like he's some bond villain living in a cave on the other side of the world.

[1] https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/15657972205318144...

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You can go look at the forum yourself at https://kiwifarms.ru/ (WARNING: DO NOT DO THIS IF YOU MIGHT BE ONE OF THEIR TARGETS! This would be EXTREMELY bad for your mental health!)

You'll struggle to find swatting, organized harrassment and non-internet stalking, but you'll see plenty of extremely unpleasant comments. If you were a kiwifarm target... well... see my comment above.

> How do we know this, especially the swatting?

Out of all things, I think the swatting is the most easily believable. Swatting is commonly done to streamers, such that I am not surprised at all that it would be used for targeted harassment.

> And why isn't law enforcement stepping in?

Because 1) they have limited resources and must prioritise and 2) America law enforcement seems to have a distinct lean towards the transphobic / homophobic / white supremacist / right-wing, etc.

Just because something is not being actively policed does not mean it's not an actual crime (cf motorists running red lights for an easy example.)

Traffic violations are actually policed pretty closely because it's a source of revenue. High tech is employed to identify drivers, and even some shady tricks like shortening the yellow light. So it's not a good example.

Regardless, it's a public forum(?), there should be tons of evidence if they routinely instigate swattings.

> Traffic violations are actually policed pretty closely

I can stand on the main road where I live in London and see 100+ violations an hour with no enforcement.

> So it's not a good example.

Perfect example if you're in London, though.

Can you also skim Kiwi Farms and find at least a few of these supposed swattings?
Traffic enforcement varies widely. Larger jurisdictions here in the Pacific Northwest seem to not enforce anything outside of parking rules in paid areas.

Meanwhile some neighboring suburban jurisdictions come down harshly on passerbys, even when the stop was unjustified and no crime occured.

How does one reconcile the idea that KiwiFarms is guilty of unspecified crimes that threaten lives and require emergency intervention, but also those alleged crimes aren't urgent enough that authorities would prosecute them? Is that entirely handwaved by calling the whole of U.S. law enforcement "transphobic / homophobic / white supremacist / right-wing"?

As this submission shows, cybercrime is prosecuted in the U.S.

> As this submission shows, cybercrime is prosecuted in the U.S.

You're missing the qualifier "some" before "cybercrime".