[npc54321]

Cant they just stop killing each other?

I dont believe in made up books saying "this is your promised land"

I also dont believe in madeup books saying ",kill jews"

Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez.

Defending Israel is such an NPC mentality, theres no good guys in that war they both commit atrocities.

[kurupt213]

That’s a big ask. How disproportionate do you think the US response would be to people launching rockets into our country? My guess is that we would kill the majority of them. I don’t think it’s fair to ask Israel to sit on their hands while they are attacked.

[sofixa]

If Native Americans being put into reservations against their will, being evicted from their homes, being treated as second class people, were launching rockets at US civilians, the US would retaliate, sure. But both parties would be in the wrong, same as Israel/Palestine.

[golergka]

> being evicted from their homes

Just FYI, most of evictions Israel is doing are against jewish settlers, not arabs.

[Adverblessly]

> Just stop landgrabbing and/or killing each other jeez.

Both sides think the land belongs to them as both sides inhabited the same land for hundreds* of years. Which side is doing the grabbing then turns into a judgement call.

* - Going by Wikipedia, Muslims Arabs since ~600CE and some form of Israelis since ~1200BCE.

[panick21_]

Both sides inhabited the land for hundreds of years is a nice principle.

The reality is that before the EXPLICITLY colonialist movement of Zionism, there was a small Jewish community there. A small amount of people compared to the overwhelmingly Muslim population.

The waste majority of current population has immigrated from Europe and the Soviet Union.

And of course because the Zionists know that they enacted a law that states that basically everybody who is even vaguely Jewish is free to live there and a lot of them are then settled in the West Bank.

At the same time the countless Muslims who actually lived there, in 1948 and their kids have no rights to return at all.

So according to the current Israeli law, a person who has hasn't grown up Jewish but has Jewish grand parent has a right to live their, but the children of the people displaced in 1948 don't.

[kurupt213]

Ethnically they’re the same group of Semitic peoples that have lived in Canaanite land since the late Neolithic

[panick21_]

Can you show some data on that? Because a huge amount of the people there are from Western and Central Europe or the former Soviet Union. Those people might have some traces ethnically with people who were still there, but they lived away from there for almost 2000 years.

[kurupt213]

The best example are the Mizrahi, who never left Palestine.

The Israelites go back to the Bronze Age. They are from a couple of Semitic cities in the Canaanite levant. The same group that spawned phonecians and a bunch of other Mediterranean peoples who colonized much of northern africa and Southern Europe in addition to Anatolia

[panick21_]

I certainty don't deny (as some people do) that there were no Jews anymore in Ottoman Palestine.

[Adverblessly]

Then are you saying that if Israel displaces all of the currently present Palestinians and then holds on to the land for 1400-2000 years, they become the rightful owners of that land?

[panick21_]

Yes. If in 4000 a bunch of Palestinians show up that used to live in China and start murdering and oppressing people because of what happened to their ancestors I would be against it.

Specially when essentially all of these Palestinians that lived in China had no intention or interest in ever going back to Palestine.

And then one day a dude shows up, and says, "Hey one could argue based on some not very historical evidence that X place is our homeland, so lets just go there and steal that land".

Just as if a bunch of British people had colonized East Africa with the idea of reconquering their homeland.