[metaltyphoon]

I hear this word all the time “magic”. Can you describe what it means with concrete example for other stacks?

[ewjt]

Magic means “hidden complexity”, AKA “abstraction”. The negative connotation is that sometimes you can’t figure out why your software is behaving a certain way and what you need to do about it.

The positive connotation is that you write less code with less cognitive overhead.

Generally I prefer ASP.NET over things like Spring and Ruby on Rails because it has less magic, despite being clearly inspired by both of those.

Here’s a concrete ASP.NET example: You can put an [ApiController] attribute on your controllers and it can change the structure of error responses, among other things. [1]

I don’t agree with some of the other parent points. For example, the comments on “multiple dependency injection container” —- ASP.NET is pretty prescriptive on DI patterns. That sounds like someone made a decision to add complexity, which is on them.

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/66546105

[metaltyphoon]

So "non magic" means to write everything then? Because the example you showed you have to understand a language feature, attributes. Then see the source code, which is open, and how it's being used.

So, are Rust macros, or C macros, C++ templating magic or it's just means "I don't want to know how this works therefore it's magic"?

[cerved]

Http request handling in asp.net mvc. The uri, type and parameter serialization is a magic mess.

How do you PUT { "foo" : { "bar" : "baz" }} to ping/pong/yolo?

You create a controller class, PingController, you create a method PutPong, then you give up and proceed to cry blood

[guhidalg]

It seems you had a bad time learning ASP.NET, but in my experience what you're asking for is not difficult at all.

You have to: 1. [Optional] Define a DTO that deserializes { "foo" : { "bar" : "baz" }} to an object 2. Write a class that subclasses Controller 3. Write a method, call it whatever you want, that accepts a JObject or one of your DTO types. 4. Add the attribute [HttpPut("ping/pong/yolo")] to tell the framework this method should be bound to PUTs for that path. 5. Write your business logic.

Is that blood-crying inducing? No.

[cerved]

Without decent documentation, it is.

[aliswe]

something like

app.MapPut("ping/pong/yolo", ctx => ...);

and in there you read the Body as string ... it should be a one liner?

[neonsunset]

app.MapPut("ping/pong/yolo", ([FromBody] Payload request) => {...});

record Payload(Foo Foo);

record Foo(string Bar);

or

app.MapPut("ping/pong/yolo", (JsonElement json) => {...});

Basically, just avoid outdated blog posts and articles :D

[cerved]

this looks like asp.net core

[neonsunset]

No one in their sane mind would use ASP.NET for new projects (it is legacy and a business risk) nowadays so it's reasonable to assume that everyone means ASP.NET Core given the .NET 7 context.

[cerved]

the context was asp.net mvc specifically

[metaltyphoon]

ASP.NET MVC is dead. It has been over 6 years; you need to update yourself.