| > It really is hearsay. No it's not. Even non Muslims admitted that we Muslims have the right to be proud of it. There's nothing else anywhere like it, secular or non secular texts. > Historians are usually honest Our Muslim historians even more so. > And if some historical text talks about miracles, something which cannot be explained with rational thought and to the best of our current knowledge Or that God bent the laws of our reality to make a point. Not everything is explainable by logic, especially when we see such events take place thousands of years later in our lifetimes today. > So if he can do it then I can with equal right assume there were many tries, no? No, because his claim is that there is a creator, whereas you're just making a claim that has no basis in your secular materialistic world view. > Now if I give you my own opinion then I would say there is zero reason to make such assumptions We exist, so there had to be a starting point. We have evidence that people came and claimed to be sent from God, and we proved their claims based on many things (their character, miracles, etc). The Quran to this day stands as a living miracle, and its challenge is up for anyone to take (many centuries after everyone tried and failed). These things remind me of how new atheists are flimsy with their arguments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn7n-gff-0c |