[silicon2401]

> We'd all be happier if everyone was politically correct

That's objectively false. I would not be happier if everyone were politically correct, because I'm a strong believer in free speech, even if it's offensive. You can say whatever heinous, horrendous things you want about me and my loved ones as long as I'm able to walk away and disengage (if you pursue and target me, it changes from free speech to harassment/assault IMO). I'm also a strong believer in the ideal of objectivity, so I hate the idea of white lies or convenient falsehoods.

[deltasevennine]

>That's objectively false.

No. If you bought into the new age pro noun thing the SAME way you already buy into the pointless formalities we use like "please" and "thank you" there would be no argument. Everyone would be happier. This is objectively true. You just misinterpreted what I mean here.

>I'm a strong believer in free speech, even if it's offensive.

This is off topic. Free speech is part of the battle but it's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to something much deeper then that. Proponents of political correctness are attempting to redefine reality. They want to change the concept of gender as "fluid" and non-binary and they are trying to change this from a scientific aka "objective" standpoint. Compelled speech is just a tool to push this agenda, and while I don't support it, the arguments behind free speech aren't interesting to me.

It's this entire idea of attempting to categorize this new interpretation of gender as the objective truth that interests me.

[silicon2401]

> If you bought into the new age pro noun thing the SAME way you already buy into the pointless formalities we use like "please" and "thank you" there would be no argument.

"If you met the conditions that proved me right, then I'd be right". Well I don't, hence you're wrong, as I said

[deltasevennine]

I said this: We'd all be happier if everyone was politically correct.

Which is saying if you "met the conditions" of being politically correct.

I did not say if you were forced to act politically correct. Two different things.

So literally I did say: "If you met the conditions that proved me right, then I'd be right" and you responded by completely ignoring that and introducing your own conditions.

You misunderstood. We're on the same page here.

[silicon2401]

> We'd all be happier if everyone was politically correct

Me 'being' politically correct doesn't mean me 'supporting' or 'enjoying' being politically correct. I don't, and 'being' politically correct makes me unhappy. I don't know how I can simplify further, but it does seem to be a semantic point.

[deltasevennine]

I never said this. I don't know how you can keep misinterpreting it. You can't simplify further because your off on a tangent trying to simplify something that is not the point.

You are already being "politically correct" in your own way. You don't refer to me as an idiot, that's a rule you follow. Thus you are already obeying your own "political rules." If your rules were identical to everyone else's, they they wouldn't be be pissed off and neither would you.

That is what I mean when I'm saying "everyone is politically correct" that's it.

[hotpotamus]

> so I hate the idea of white lies or convenient falsehoods.

But as a believer in free speech, you must support peoples' freedom to engage in lies, no?

[silicon2401]

You can lie all you want as long as it doesn't impact others; that's why we have things like slander and libel. If you want to say your favorite color is blue when in fact it's red, I'd support you every day of the week. If you want to force me to say you're blond when in fact you're a redhead, then I would expect a civilized society to protect my freedom to not repeat your lie. Similarly I would expect a civilized society to protect you from me if I start saying something negative about you that actually impacts you negatively.

[Banana699]

As long as they don't impede my own right to free speech? sure, go ahead, delude yourself to your heart's content.

Free speech advocates aren't the ones screaming hysterically about "dead naming" and 3rd person pronouns.