[mmsnberbar66]

> The entire concept of 'state' doesn't even exist on the backend

No. Are you saying e.g. TLS is not stateful? I don't even know where to start to give you more examples. Sorry but that came off really ignorant when you're trying to sell the idea that frontend is hard.

[fullstackchris]

I'm speaking from an application level perspective (REST or GraphQL APIs and the like). Of course at deeper levels of networking there needs to be a concept of state. But the only reason I can think of somebody having to hand roll anything todo with TLS nowadays is that they are doing something very very specialized, or have gone down a very wrong path.

Though that did remind me, if you're doing websocket stuff I suppose there could be a considerable amount of 'state' to handle on the backend.