[toberoni]

I'm writing this with buyer's remorse on my Framework.

It's a huge step down from my previous Thinkpads. The battery life is atrocious - a night in modern standby drains the battery from 80% to 35%. Outside the office battery life is a constant worry, I mostly use it docked these days.

The display hinge is wobbly - when I lift my Framework from my lap on a table it often folds back 180 degrees. Very annoying.

In general it feels less durable than my old Thinkpad X1.

Linux support is better than on most laptops and worse than on Thinkpads, e.g. no BIOS upgrades out of the box (only beta firmwares for months). Additionally, I experience rare kernel loops, sometimes the laptop doesn't shut off properly etc. Overall Thinkpads seem to be more stable.

[nisegami]

I believe the hinge is a known issue on earlier models and you can get a replacement from Framework.

Probably start here: https://community.frame.work/t/explainer-lid-rigidity-hinge-...

Key section: "However, we identified that for a period of time last fall, our hinge supplier shipped a subset of hinges with forces below our accepted spec range. We’ve since added additional tests both at the hinge supplier and at our laptop assembly site to prevent out of spec hinges from shipping out. If you have a laptop where the lid angle drops on its own while the laptop is stationary, write into support with a video of it, and we’ll send you a new Hinge Kit."

[toberoni]

Thank you for the link. Apparently I received a batch where this problem has been fixed.

The hinge is not very wobbly when typing and won't move if I lift the laptop carefully. However, it won't stay in position when moving it quicker.

Maybe this is by design so one can open the lid with a single hand. I prefer the sturdy hinge on my old Thinkpads though - it's difficult to open them with one hand but they stay in position when I move them.

[nisegami]

Ah, it really did sound like you got one of the defective hinges. Though, you still do have the option of buying the 4.0 kg hinge kit for $24 and installing it. Having to buy a part isn't ideal, at least it's available.

[ajvs]

This is because modern Intel processors don't support S3 sleep[1], they instead only have Microsoft's Deep Sleep (s0ix). The only alternative is laptops with ARM or AMD(?) processors, but I haven't got a good recommendation for one.

[1] https://community.frame.work/t/linux-deep-sleep/2491/5

[fnfjcu7]

Lenovo offers old S3 on modern CPUs. Linux also supports the new sleep states. Get a better distro if you're having problems. This is a solved problem for like 5 years.

[christophilus]

> The display hinge is wobbly

I don’t own a framework, but will probably get one at some point. This issue, at least, has been fixed. You can swap the hinges out for the new ones— not sure if it’s a free fix or not, though.

[fnfjcu7]

Don't worry the new ThinkPad batteries are just as good awful.

And... It's not actually the batteries, it's just the newer CPUs. If you want good battery life on intel you simply have to downlevel the CPU as much as possible or go back a few generations to an i5. My old x260 still gets 8 hours of coding on a charge. But my recent X1 is lucky to get 3 hours.