[Yizahi]

I'm currently in the eastern EU, and while there a lot of EVs on the roads, the infrastructure is not usable for my personal use there too. No chargers at homes or near homes, not even in the new apartment blocks. No chargers at work parkings.

Honestly, I wonder how can EU ban selling ICE cars even in 10 years, if the infrastructure in so much lagging behind.

[ianai]

It doesn’t take that long to wire up new electrical stuff. Just the will to do it. We’re talking 3.3kw to 6.6kw a drop unless it’s a fast charger. (Edit-the wider spread the slower chargers probably the lesser need for fast chargers, too.) 3.3kw is about 120v/27.5A. Not negligible but no one worries about hooking up hair driers to the grid and they draw tons of power. Reference the places putting chargers on light posts and similar.

[sokoloff]

When's the last time someone and 10 of their neighbors dried their hair for 12 straight hours, though? It's not the instantaneous power draw from a single plug that people are worried about but rather the aggregate draw.

[nicoburns]

I think it’s perhaps mostly still within the margins that grids are built to tolerate. We’ll need to generate more electricity, but we might not need to rewrite all our streets. Also, it won’t be a step change, it will be gradual. NEW cars will be EVs by 2030 (or whenever), but most cars will still be old cars.

[ianai]

So granted not everywhere has enough sun or wind potential. But building out a ton of renewables compliments building out a ton of EV chargers and cars. Definitely worth upgrading infrastructure to handle. V2L makes it even more of a direct compliment.

There’s an important relationship between energy available per capita and “health” of civilization. So I saw we do it all.

[News-Dog]

search: >'electric stove hot-plate kilowatts'< @DDG : <https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q='electric stove hot-plat...>

"Most electric ovens draw between 2,000 and 5,000 watts"

[rnk]

That turns out not to be a problem in the us, because the increased electricity use by expected ev charging is contained in our 2 or 3% increase per year. I expected this will be true for other places. Also in the us you find that people are using unneeded capacity at night.

[ianai]

Fair, it’s maybe more like adding another appliance per household (fridge/freezer).

[trstregfsdgfd]

More like a tumble dryer, running almost continuously. Fridges/freezers, even huge US-sized ones, don't use that much power. I measured the average consumption of my under-counter fridge at less than 10W.

[Yizahi]

A pass through water heater would be a good example (running 7 hours daily). Not many apartments would have a capacity to add a new water heater of such type, even for human use (10-30 minutes per day, spaced out across the building in time, not all simultaneously at the same hours).

[ianai]

That’s an unfair comparison.

[trstregfsdgfd]

Why? Comparing the power consumption of an EV on charge to a fridge is a very unfair comparison.

If you drive 200 EV miles per week, you need 60kWh per week, or about 360W continuous.

At approx. 4.5kWh per cycle, that's 13 tumble dryer loads per week. Even that seems an unfair comparison - I'm not sure how many people run 2 loads per day every day.

I was hyperbolic in my original comment, but that's still several hours of tumble drying every day.

[thatfrenchguy]

People run AC, that’s worse :-)

[badpun]

> Honestly, I wonder how can EU ban selling ICE cars even in 10 years, if the infrastructure in so much lagging behind.

They won't. I believe it's purely fiction.