[BurningFrog]

Today's announcement says my existing T-Mobile phone already had satellite capability!!

They just need to get the satellites up.

[vlovich123]

And your existing Tesla can do FSD with its current sensor package. Any day now.

[thepasswordis]

My current Tesla started doing FSD almost a year ago.

[vlovich123]

Let me clarify. Musk claimed 6 years ago [1] that shipping Teslas would be capable of Level 5 autonomy. While Tesla’s markets their feature as “full self driving” it’s a far cry from even level 3 afaik.

It’s kind of sad people fall for this. It also has lethal consequences as people assume it can do things it very well can’t (cruise control+ is really what the feature is). It’s a very obvious grift and SEC and FTC regulators have apparently been asleep at the wheel to enforce it. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a shareholder lawsuit at some point. Certainly if the stock collapses once someone beats Tesla to level 5.

[1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/new-tesla-models-will-featur...

[throwawaylinux]

Yep, if there's one thing that the AI "community" has done, it's over promise and under deliver. Tesla was a lot more fortunate than some others, being an automotive company first, and an AI company at best 4th (after battery, charging network).

[dailykoder]

Musk already admitted that he was very wrong about FSD and that it's not that easy.

Sure his talk was dumb and a lot of people fell for it, but that's just how marketing works.

[bagels]

That's how fraud works, not marketing.

[epgui]

It’s not fraud when you’re just over-optimistic, you believe what you’re saying, and you end up being wrong.

It might suck, but it’s not fraud.

[babypuncher]

I mean, he still took a bunch of people's money for the feature, then didn't give it back after admitting L5 wasn't coming any time soon.

[philistine]

That is not how marketing works. Show me a reputable book about marketing that says: promise something that doesn't exist.

[epgui]

Alternatively… Explain to me how making predictions about the future that don’t pan out is surprising or alienating to anyone reasonable.

Anyone who thinks predictions about the future hold the same weight as statements about things that currently exist ought to know better.

[williamtrask]

If the marketing book said that it would be poorly marketing itself. There’s plenty of “bend the truth” culture in marketing.

[ROTMetro]

By 'how marketing works' do you mean 'how every software sales VP I have ever worked with works'?

[KaiserPro]

My 2009 kia rio has FSD too, and like the tesla, it won't stop for children in FSD mode

(note the FSD mode here is basically a brick on the accelerator)

[speedgoose]

If you think about the recent test conducted by a Tesla AI competitor, it wasn’t FSD mode. See https://electrek.co/2022/08/10/tesla-self-driving-smear-camp...

[KaiserPro]

fair enough, thank you for sharing this.

[babypuncher]

Not L5 like Musk claimed. It's a stretch to even call it L3 right now.

[oldgradstudent]

It's not "a stretch". It's just wrong.

FSD requires constant human supervision. It has nothing to do with level 3 or above.

[LightG]

"FSD".... lol

[yreg]

It's not the first time I hear about this tech. AST SpaceMobile[0] wants to do exactly the same with existing 4G/5G phones.

Of course, they are launching with SpaceX. They might get sherlocked before even finishing their product.

[0] https://ast-science.com/spacemobile/

[muttled]

They're ready to launch their test satellite in the next few weeks and are already building the capabilities for the next satellites in the constellation. I'm watching them carefully as it looks like they're going to be able to do it.