[HelloMcFly]

> They are savy enough to know what a password manager is, but not savy enough to deal with an offline one.

Not the person you responded to, but: I think that most people are savvy enough to know what a password manager is, and most people are not savvy enough to be interested in the work necessary to setup, personalize, and maintaining an offline password manager that functions well across multiple devices. That doesn't sound like a niche subset to me, but I could be way off.

[fezfight]

My point is to illustrate that the commenter is speaking out of their respective ass. None of us know what the average person thinks, we are a group of tremendous nerds who are engaging, not just reading, in the comments section to a post about a flipping password manager.

[smt88]

I'm speaking out of personal experience trying to get non-average users (my friends and family, some of whom work in non-technical roles at software companies) to understand and use password managers.

Most of them can't and won't invest the time just to switch to 1Password. The average person isn't going to exceed that bar by a margin that even I, a software developer, wouldn't bother with.

When something is too technical for even an average developer to bother with (because it's unnecessary, not because it's hard), it is totally hopeless for the average user.

[nunez]

it took a LOOOONG time to get my wife into using a password manager, specifically 1Pass. I'm super comfortable with an offline password manager, but there is not a chance in hell that I'd subject her to that

for a large amount of people, tech and non-tech alike, LastPass and 1Pass are really really good.

[fezfight]

Paragraph one is good. In paragraph two, you're doing it again. :D

It's easy, unless you have actual data, what you have is an opinion.

[HelloMcFly]

Many of us in this forum are people that have tried to influence those around us - family, friends, coworkers - to use better security practices such as password managers. Those personal experiences alongside the prevalence and adoption of cloud-sync enabled password managers (including browsers) creates a reasonable foundation from which to form a not-fully-ignorant opinion.

[fezfight]

Yes, like me, and I've had success with getting people to use keepass. Should I extrapolate my personal anecdote to apply to everyone?

[HelloMcFly]

You have had success getting non-technically oriented friends and family to use a Keepass across multiple devices? Then you're doing far better than me.

I don't think your experience is representative. As I stated in my previous comment, I think the relative success of cloud-enabled password managers vs. more secure options like Keepass are a non-anecdotal form of support for this opinion. But I would be way off (which I also acknowledge).

[fezfight]

Could be that those companies use marketing? Keepass doesn't market. Hard to say without any facts. :D

[nicoburns]

I’ve sold some friends and family on password managers, and the cloud syncing has been a key part of getting them to accept it. The alternative is often shortish passwords shared between systems.

[Msw242]

I'm savvy enough to maintain an offline password manager, but fuck that noise.

It's already painful enough to use a cloud password manager; why would I burn hours more of time to maintain a worse experience?

[noctis]

How about cloud storage? iCloud, OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. Good apps support those out of box; for desktop install their client and use the file as you normally would.