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by systemvoltage
1390 days ago
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> You seem to have read the details of the case, yet you say that Asian Americans are fighting for equality by citing a case that has determined at the lower level and appellate court that no systemic discrimination occurred. "Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College (Docket 20–1199) and Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. University of North Carolina (Docket 21-707) are a pair of lawsuits concerning racial discrimination in affirmative action programs in college admissions processes. " It is though. It is alleging racial discrimination. It is literally the first line on Wikipedia. > Please don’t extend this meme… Asian Americans are doing just fine in admissions across the board at US institutions. That seems completely orthogonal. I don't have a horse in this race. I am a bystander telling people to go look up the case materials and study them for yourself as a matter of intellectual curiousity. Not sure what is the cause for your defensiveness, I am not even arguing those nor am I interested in it. I'd say, the fact that urging people to seek facts is causing an uproar for defense and a lash out, should an indicator of importance of this case. Please read my first comment and see if there is anything but factual matter. There is no "meme" here. As per the facts of the case, plaintiffs are fighting for equality and alleging discrimination. That's not up for debate, whether you support for side or the other. We don't need to argue the case here on HN, that's being done for us by the brilliant lawyers on both sides for us :-). |
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It is an allegation that has been determined twice by courts not to hold water.
People can allege anything, and they often do for political or pr reasons (politics being the real reason for this case, imho).
> Not sure what is the cause for your defensiveness
I have lived in Asian for 9 years of my profession life, and I am active in parts of the local Asian American community. My concern/defensiveness is that this claim of discrimination is widely repeated despite being refuted by the courts. I appreciate that you want people to read the case details themselves, but most people don’t do that, and they defer to people (like me and you) who do read the details for thought leadership.
In California, where I currently live, there are very real, irrefutable acts of discrimination happening against Asian Americans. These really need to be dealt with. Admissions at elite schools is not one of them, and repeating a claim on this topic that has not been supported by the courts or the case details (at least imho) is just adding fuel to the outrage fire as well as taking attention away from real discrimination that is happening.
That’s just my 2 cents. I don’t feel the need to persuade anyone in particular, but I really wish HN folks would discuss this topic in a more informed way. I add my contributions so that folks can see a more detailed/nuanced side to this issue that is rarely presented in the press. Do with it what you will.