[JohnHaugeland]

I see that you've announced that your understanding of the world is revealed to be deep by the joke you made regarding the religion-based murder, organ extraction, and jailing of millions of people, in something the UN describes as a genocide and a holocaust.

Typically, if you have to congratulate yourself on how deep you've shown yourself to be, that's because nobody else will; if nobody else will, typically, that's because you actually aren't.

I wish I could make commentary regarding the original statement, but HN was sufficiently disgusted with you to remove it.

[garmanarnar]

Your understanding of the world is rather primitive if you think there is systemic mass murder ongoing where there isn't any. After countless investigations have come up short I don't know why people like you continue to spout mistruths. The propaganda you have been fed is hard to see past indeed.

[JohnHaugeland]

Oh my, my understanding of the world is primitive if I believe the video evidence, the formal position of the UN, the formal position of NATO, and the formal position of more than 120 countries.

Why? Because an anonymous person from the internet whose entire account is stumping against the United States and for China says so, and denies that real evidence exists.

Okay, buddy

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> I don't know why people like you continue to spout mistruths.

This sentence is also commonly said by vaccine deniers, homeopaths, chemtrail people, and people who pretend that Tianemen Square didn't happen.

Your lack of knowing isn't important to me. Keep it to yourself, please.

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> The propaganda you have been fed is hard to see past indeed.

Oh, the poor thing.

It's literally every active government on Earth, and the UN, and he still thinks it's propaganda.

So difficult to be a mouthpiece these days

Anyway, nobody's being convinced by your rambling denial. This is my third post in a row asking you to stop wasting my time.

[garmanarnar]

You talk a lot for someone with no evidence.

> the video evidence, the formal position of the UN, the formal position of NATO, and the formal position of more than 120 countries.

Literally none of this is true. The UN has not found any evidence of death camps or a holocaust so you have been misinformed.

I beg you to actually do some reading on this topic because the things you are spewing are just embarrassing.

Honestly, you have such a childlike understanding of the world it's sad. Just utterly brainwashed.

[JohnHaugeland]

I see that you're stuck in denying the evidence that's easily available, pleading with me to do the evidence gathering that you refuse to do and are responsible for regarding your position, and engaging in an ever increasing series of personal attacks, to pretend that the Uyhghur holocaust isn't real.

The worst part is, now that you're provided evidence, you aren't going to admit that any of it is real, and you're going to try to explain why you, an anonymous person on the internet, are more trustworthy than the world's governments and human rights agencies, even though you've now spent days lying and claiming they didn't say what they actually said

For anyone who would be confused by astroturfing this obvious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

It's really very easy to find.

Here's a reference to the US declaration: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-declares-chinas-treatment-o...

Here's a reference to the UN declaration: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-o...

If a third party reader decides to look things up, remember to try spelling it "uighur" and "uyghur," and remember to try both holocaust and genocide. By example, the US called it a genocide, but the UN called it a holocaust, and you have to use the right term for the right speaker.

Here are the forced labor camps: https://www.vox.com/2020/7/28/21333345/uighurs-china-internm...

Here's a US diplomat saying the US knows there are more than a million people in the camps and believes it's about 3 million, in may of 2019: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-concentrationca...

The US currently believes that number to be 4.1 million. That is to say, if you just take the people in China imprisoned for their ethnicity, and made them a country, it'd be larger than 78 other countries, larger than Croatia, Uruguay, Mongolia, Lithuania, Macau, Luxembourg, Qatar, or Iceland.

Larger than (non-metro) Chicago and Houston put together.

When the anti-American angle inevitably comes up as a substitute for admitting to the evidence, here's Britain saying it too: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

Or Australia: https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/

Or the UN: https://www.dw.com/en/new-report-slams-china-for-systematic-...

Here's the G7: https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/04/upcoming-summit-an-opportu...

Video of the Dabancheng site: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/guanguan-video-11182...

This has been publicly known for more than six years now, but you're still pretending: https://supchina.com/2018/08/22/xinjiang-explainer-chinas-re...

There's no shortage of other evidence. The least intelligent response would be to demand more after attempting to falsify this stuff, and that's what I expect from you, because it's what you did several days ago, when you were already given different evidence, and couldn't be honest and face what it said

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It's very sad that this time is being spent this way, denying a holocaust. Nobody would ever be fooled.

Needless to say, people did this denial thing during the WW2 holocaust too, and we all know how they're remembered.

I kind of wonder if you even realize what it is you're denying, in your attempt to win an internet argument, and given the extremely generous presumption that you aren't a professional government astroturfer, what that would actually say about you as a human being

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I wish HN wouldn't permit this.

We won't let people cuss each other out, but we'll let them mass spam national interests, astroturf against ethnic genocide, and deny active holocausts which are 2/3 the size by headcount of the WW2 Jewish Holocaust, and growing fast

The barometer here for what is genuinely offensive is completely out of whack

[momoftwenty]

Rand.org? Radio Free Asia? Two countries that will do the US's bidding? the UN? How are these reputable sources on the topic of economic enemies of the current global hegemony? Are you sure you understand what kind of can of worms you might be opening? Including one of stirring up racist hatred against 1/3 of the planet's population?

[garmanarnar]

Again, the UN has never declared that there is a holocaust or a genocide in Xinjiang. None of your sources, which clearly you have not bothered to read in depth, say that.

Show me the evidence of a holocaust. You cannot because there is no evidence.

I really wish you would take the time to learn what the words you are using actually mean rather than spam links by Radio Free Asia and Adrian Zenz who have proved themselves propagandists.