[kuschku]

Why should cyclists, who got the roads built in the first place, be driven from the roads by motorists?

Bicycles aren't the problem, the singular focus on cars in our societies is the real problem. Roads used to be shared between horses, carriages, bicycles, vendors, and pedestrians.

The car is a monotheistic religion, there can only be one god, the car, and you have to devote your whole life and society to it.

[josephcsible]

> Why should cyclists, who got the roads built in the first place, be driven from the roads by motorists?

This feels a bit like saying that the US shouldn't have abolished slavery since it was founded by slave owners.

> Roads used to be shared between horses, carriages, bicycles, vendors, and pedestrians.

Lead used to be in paint and gas. Doctors used to perform surgery without even washing their hands first. People used to use chamber pots instead of toilets. And roads used to be disgusting from being covered in horse manure.

> The car is a monotheistic religion, there can only be one god, the car, and you have to devote your whole life and society to it.

No, we just want different spaces to be used for different means of transportation, similarly to how you wouldn't want someone riding a motorcycle on the sidewalk.

[kuschku]

> No, we just want different spaces to be used for different means of transportation, similarly to how you wouldn't want someone riding a motorcycle on the sidewalk.

So does every cyclist. Yet it's motorists that protest against that every time they'd have to sacrifice a lane.

[josephcsible]

Distinguish being against bike paths vs. being against losing a lane from a road that already has too few lanes.

[kuschku]

Demand dynamically adjusts to supply. People have a distance they're willing to commute to work, and this distance is measured in minutes.

People also want to have as low rent/housing costs as possible, so they'll often want to move as far away from the city as possible.

e.g., I'll never move to a place where my commute to work is over 30 minutes.

If you add lanes, travel time decreases, so more people move further away. This increases demand, so that congestion quickly becomes just as bad as it is today.

This means there are never enough lanes. If you reduce the lanes, over the next years people will move closer to the city again, demand will decrease, and the congestion won't be any worse than it is today.

You can never have enough or too many lanes, all you can do is decide whether you want to subsidize people moving further away while making cars required for transportation, or if you do something against this, and reduce the lanes available to cars.

Considering this is a zero-sum game, if you reject replacing lanes with bike lanes, you reject bike lanes pretty much everywhere.

[josephcsible]

Isn't a current big problem that housing is way too expensive? If so, isn't it silly to do things that reduce the number of viable housing options for most people?

[kuschku]

The issue of “housing is too expensive” is primarily because of zoning. Most of Germany has zoning only in new, in-development districts. Major parts of most cities are not zoned at all.

This allows development of mixed use, middle-density (think: 3-8 floors) buildings, which provide a lot of housing at far lower cost compared to high rises.

These mixed, often mostly walkable, neighborhoods are what can help provide living space. Single-family housing is something that just gets cities into debt, increases traffic, yet does not improve the housing situation at all.