[tptacek]

I mean, you're mostly right. Not about the "hiding behind blog posts" thing (we just like to write). But the rest of it, sure? We're not telling you to stop using Heroku. We love Heroku. Heroku is a big part of why we got into this.

Our primary benefit over Heroku isn't "the simplest possible DX". Heroku has that nailed! It's running apps close to users, easily scaling them up and out over the globe. I like us a lot (but then I would) for simple apps that will never need global scaling, but nobody at Fly.io is telling you that we've somehow obsoleted Heroku!

I'm confident that we'll get to parity with Heroku on DX; it's a thing we're serious about. But Heroku has had a long, long time to get these details right, and we're working on other things too. Give us a bit. :P

[melony]

I want to use Fly, not Heroku. But Fly just doesn't seem to live up to my expectations right now :(

I understand that you believe your competitive advantages stem from the edge server deployments. Sure that may be true for certain serverless and HTML-over-the-wire workloads like Phoenix, but if you actually talk to your customers, a significant number of us want a Heroku replacement, not just fancy docker-at-edge.

[tptacek]

It seems reasonable that we wouldn't be living up to your expectations; there's no single best place to host things, and Heroku is a great platform. We're Fly.io, not Fleroku.

[slimebot80]

I like this reply. Not a user of either system currently, but have done projects on both. The use-case for fly.io is strong, but everyone needs to focus on where they want to spend their time vs pay off.