[upupandup]

but how will they deal with the additional surge on the already stressed grid and no water?

this is national virtue signaling and there's no way that ICE cars are going away. I know several people who sold their electric cars and are back to ICE because these electric cars struggle during cold weather, snow, and uphills. Not everybody lives in a flat terrain

ICE cars are not going away unless they are able to suddenly produce EV in such massive numbers that it will become cheaper than ICE AND handle the load on the grid.

EVs struggle in mountainous and cold weather regions which Japan and South Korea regularly go through. On top of that there is a growing water shortage which means the nuclear power plants being built will be capped.

All of this weird wokeness and virtue signaling is only making the world a worse place. The bulk of the co2 production comes from countries that make cheap goods for Californians and in wealthy nations. But you won't give up your goods now for a better world right? It has to be the talking points by ESG lobbyist and corporate interest.

What a sad pathetic world. At this rate MIT is dead on money about society collapsing.

[yongjik]

> this is national virtue signaling and there's no way that ICE cars are going away.

Germany is planning to ban new ICE sales by 2030. Japan and South Korea, 2035. You can keep saying "they are not going away," but the truth is that they are going away, whether California bans them or not. Sooner or later, there will be no BMW, no Toyota, and no Hyundai that's running on gas. You may be able to buy a Ford a bit longer, but in a world where your potential ICE car market is dwindling year by year, production of an ICE vehicle will increasingly look like... "virtue signaling." Companies won't be able to make money from that, so they'll stop.

So, in the grand scheme of things, California is not in a position to make an independent decision anyway. But I'd say California is still right in making these decisions now, even from a purely economical point of view, because when the whole industry shifts you want your country to be on the right side of it.

[arcticfox]

Maybe the cheapest / oldest EVs, but I assure you, even the most basic Tesla-level EVs excel in all of those conditions.

And what does water have to do with EVs?

[nradov]

Thermal power plants require water for cooling. We're probably going to need additional nuclear plants to meet base load demand since there's no realistic prospect of building enough grid storage capacity to fill that need with solar and wind power. If we can't rely on water flows in the major rivers then that limits our options for nuclear plant sites.