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by forgottenpaswrd 5321 days ago
The Keynes quote is funny, giving the number of people that define their selves as Keynesians, and being Keynes dead long ago.

As some people had already stated, MBAs are not the problem, if you go to a good MBA you will have good teachers, and those people have very clear in their mind all those economic fallacies and more.

Ethics are the problem.

The problem is the fact that somebody could enter a company, increase the short term benefits, but destroy the company long term, and get out rich, and nobody going after them. HP(last CEO got at least 5Million) , GM(what are 50 Billion these days anyway?, nobody lost their seat), Golmand Sachs, buying bankrupt states CDS(enormously profitable while it does not break, the bill is payed by taxpayers when it breaks)...

E.g if Google decides to "monetize" all the info they have over me overnight they will increase their profit a lot (x5 or x10), but I will start looking after other companies search. As everything I use uses their services it will have to be a slow, progressive change, while the genius MBA graduate could declare victory and retire rich at 30, but it will make people spit at hearing the word Google.

Another example, there was a time in witch SCO was a serious software company, but some guy decided to make himself rich while destroying the company, and now the name have a different meaning.

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The problem is the fact that somebody could enter a company, increase the short term benefits, but destroy the company long term...

is not necessarily a problem. There are many companies that should do this, but instead try to continue existing (mainly so the CEO/etc can keep their job).

The goal of most companies is to increase shareholder value. Shareholders, like most people, get more value out of money right now than money in the future. If a company has good short term profits, but their future prospects are not great, shareholder value can be increased by making shareholders a lot of money now and going out of business.

The shareholders would then be free to invest the money in other companies with better prospects.

In my opinion, Microsoft is a good example of a company that should do this. It's highly unlikely that shareholders would have chosen to invest in Bing were Bing a separate company. Rather, they would probably have preferred to invest the money in Google, Facebook and other such companies, or perhaps even diversified out of technology. But due to a misplaced desire of corporate executives for Microsoft to continue existing, shareholder value was not maximized.

(Admittedly, taxes complicate this picture, and encourage investment within a company rather than outside a company. But that's somewhat tangential to the main point.)

This nonsense that all companies exist to increase shareholder value, or that there's some legal imperative to, is total crap.

Who here started a company to increase shareholder value?

Companies exist to fulfil someone's dream. At some point they get corrupted. And then suddenly it's all about shareholder value.

And at that point you know they'll never produce another exciting product again.

Who here started a company to increase shareholder value?

My cofounders and I did.

A company that exists to fulfil someone's dream is a hobby. Occasionally you can make money from it, but very often not.

In contrast, by building what customers want (rather than what you dream of), you create customer value. In turn, the customers pay you and increase shareholder value.

As for whether all companies exist to increase shareholder value, clearly they do not. The Gates Foundation, any church, or the Committee to Elect Hillary Clinton are obvious counterexamples. I was discussing the companies who do have increasing shareholder value as their goal.

"there was a time in witch SCO was a serious software company"

I'm pretty sure the current SCO isn't even the same company as the original Unix Santa Cruz Operation - they are really what was Caldera who bought part of SCO (including the rights to UNIX) and then ended up calling themselves SCO, now TSG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group

There was also a time in which Caldera was a serious open source company. I remember using their Linux offering in the 90s.

  Another example, there was a time in witch SCO was a
  serious software company, but some guy decided to
  make himself rich while destroying the company, and
  now the name have a different meaning.
By the time that SCO was claiming to own Linux, all they really had left was their name. Destroying the brand isn't such a big deal when your company is on its last legs.