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by catonmylap 1400 days ago
Yes, when you once lived in a city in The Netherlands you never want to go back into any other country, where are cars are used as main transportation inside cities.

Everybody cycles here and it feels very safe to do it, however the infrastructure is the most important part. Cars are second class citizens most of the time and people driving them know this.

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> Cars are second class citizens most of the time and people driving them know this.

As someone who's never been able to afford living in a Dutch city, but has worked there, this is very true. Driving through Amsterdam is like driving through a mine field. Cyclists seemingly pop up out of nowhere and always take the right of way. This has become such a custom in the Netherlands that (at least in Amsterdam) cyclists even have the right of way even when running a red light. Courts have decided in favor of cyclists who were hit by cars while running red lights, because when driving in Amsterdam, you need to expect this to happen as a driver.

I'm not opposed to this at all, since cyclists are much more vulnerable than drivers. However, I've noticed that this is becoming much more dangerous with electric bicycles taking over. You used to be able to estimate quite well whether you can cross in front of a cyclists by the type of bike and the person on it... But not anymore. A 72 year old who used to cycle maybe 15 km/h is now casually doing 25 km/h and not slowing down for crossings. This is also visible in the statistics, with the number of cyclists involved in fatal accidents rising.

It's true, there are electric bikes that are fast. However I never feel unsafe because of them. For me the bigger annoyance are the scooters which are also allowed on the bicycle lane (in my City, afaik not Amsterdam). Those are mostly faster than the allowed 27mk/h and ride very aggressive.
I love the Netherlands as much as many, great place with a lot of clear advantages over the majority of cities, but the geography is quite boring and the population density is definitely not for everyone. Different strokes for different folks
I love my home (Ireland) but my house is extremely car dependent. It's a prison for anyone who can't drive. Now that I have kids this is a problem.
I got my EU passport last year and my wife should have hers in a few months. We're thinking next summer is a good time to move. Our kids will still be young enough to pick up the language easily enough I think (3 and 5).

Shame it's going to get miserable summers thanks to climate change...

Edit: I agree re: not wanting to go back to any other country, except that we're also looking at somewhere like Odense (Denmark).