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I believe this forum exists so people like us can have a civilized debate. Hence why I wanted to find out more why you support the people you listed.

1) Supporting Trump - a populist - was a terrible idea. Thiel's rationale doesn't make sense in this context. If you support a known liar and narcissist who doesn't care about the country then you get what we have now - an ever more divided country and 6th of Jan insurrection attempt - where people died.

2) When experts in the field Musk has businesses in are calling him out on his false claims then I think it's not just opinion based but based on fact. When it comes to Hyerloop, he had no intention to make it a success. It was purely to benefit his business - Tesla. Selling Tesla as self-driving cars and people believing it has cost actual lives as well. Again - Elon doesn't care - he only cares about himself. Or what about calling a rescue diver a pedo. This alone tells you a lot about his character.

3) Look at the state of the US - do you think it's going well? A lot of those folks that are in power believe in Rand's ideas.

So it's not opinion based - but observational and listening to the expert and scientific community.

I agree with you - we need bold visionaries - but Thiel and Musk are not those people. Both are exploitative.