[judge2020]

Technically all of those are covered under "otherwise has drawbacks they've judged significant", but I think they meant "in the realm of EV performance": the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million on a SF90 or even more on a limited-run supercar.

[zuhsetaqi]

It's the fastest in acceleration. Bring it to the Nürburgring and it's by far not the fastest car. Even the Porsche Taycan Turbo S is more than 2 seconds faster[0]. Driving quality or how good a car is is not defined by how fast a car can accelerate.

[0] https://www.nuerburgring.de/info/nuerburgring/records

[arethuza]

I was surprised by just how much faster the fastest ICE cars are than the fastest electric cars - about 50s faster?

[mhh__]

Electric cars are really really heavy, and people looking for a trackday monster are going to buy a 911.

[zuhsetaqi]

Yes, probably because electric cars have the heavy battery on board

[clouddrover]

> Technically all of those are covered under "otherwise has drawbacks they've judged significant"

Pray tell, what are these significant drawbacks?

> the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million

Nope: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi...

[googlryas]

According to that article, that car isn't available yet and is only going to made in extremely limited numbers.

[clouddrover]

And? How many people do you think buy high performance cars? The answer is: not many.

[googlryas]

Someone said

> the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million

And you said:

> Nope: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi...

Except you can't actually buy the car you linked to. That's a pretty big miss in a conversation about cars you can buy. In fact, I would say one of the two defining features of "cars you can buy" is the fact that you can buy them.

[clouddrover]

Of course you can. Reservations for the Sapphire open on Tuesday. Deliveries start next year.

Don't feel too bad that Tesla doesn't lead here. Tesla doesn't lead in real world range tests either:

https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/

Tesla makes good ads though. I like the bit with the parrot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfMtONBK8dY

[threeseed]

You can reserve the Lucid now and have it available in early 2023.

I would suspect that it isn't too different from the Plaid.

[googlryas]

Pre-release is completely different from released-but-with-a-waiting-list. Maybe they'll hit early 2023. Maybe it will be late 2023. Maybe the whole thing will be scrapped.

[wumpus]

There are 9 new Plaids in "inventory" in Palo Alto, plus 1 used.

[melony]

Ridiculous. Just walk around the Bay area and see for yourself.

[judge2020]

> Lucid Air Sapphire will be offered as a limited-production model, with deliveries planned in the US and Canada next year. The price is $249,000 USD and $325,000 CAD.

https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/introducing-sapphire-pin...

[clouddrover]

Yes. That's not half a million now, is it?